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Very Nice Allectus Silver?

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 Posted 03/11/2013  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I saw and handled a fully silvered Allectus at NYInc. The dealer was I the main borse. Not that that may mean anything but he said it was really rare. I passed on the coin because of price and my lack of research into Allectus coins.

The OP's coin looks genuine to me. Could it be that the coins that have been cataloged have had there silver worn and washed away; and that they originally had silvering?
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 Posted 03/11/2013  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bobby I believe that you are correct, it's a nice coin worth some money. Too bad he no longer has it.
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The OP's coin looks genuine to me. Could it be that the coins that have been cataloged have had there silver worn and washed away; and that they originally had silvering?


Correct.

Most of these AE coins (along with the greater Empire at that time) were silvered, the vast majority of what remains has long since lost this silvering.

These AE coins would have looked silver when produced but were not what we would consider an AR coin. This discussion is hinting that the OPs coin is an unknown AR coin, its not, its a more 'silver' looking than normal AE coin.

The OPs coin is RIC V-2, 117 minted in Camulodunum and rated as scarce.

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 Posted 03/11/2013  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have just done a Google Images search for 'allectus silvered',
and came up with a base silver ant. in the British Museum:
O: Rad. hd. r.,
R: PAX AVG Pax stg. l.
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 Posted 03/11/2013  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They describe many of their coins as 'base silver' including this one:

Very-Nice-Allectus-Silver?

http://www.britishmuseum.org/explor...carausi.aspx


They would still be classed as AE and not AR
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 Posted 03/11/2013  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bobby! I think I was typing while you all were posting. After I posted I started to figure it out;)
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 Posted 03/12/2013  02:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eddop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Take a look at this interesting website about the coinage of Carausius and Allectus.

http://www.kenelks.co.uk/coins/cara...arausius.htm
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 Posted 03/12/2013  04:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merlinwhirlin0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thankyou everybody for your input on this coin judging by the comments made it is unfortunately for me and possibly for the rest of the numastic world going to be some time before this coin resurfaces after being in hiding for two thousand years already,hidden away in some private collection or possibly because of its potential rarity still with the dealer who bought it ,however the word that came down on the grapevine to me was that he realised a price of £13,000 for it my first suspicions of the mistake I actually made first came to light as I was going through my picture files on my computor and whilst admiring this particular coin I inavertantly zoomed in on it and came to the realization that what at the time I thought was the bronze comming through the silver wash was in fact the other way round tghat there was just a slight verdigreeing on the silver? and so I whent on to look for a silver example and came to where we are at presently for my part I'm sorry I dident give it the attention it deserved,i never wieghed it ,it was the one that got away, in short if the figure above IS to be believed I've been robbed and a lesson learnt only thing that remains that I can take with me is, if it is silver well...I FOUND IT! the first example? thankyou kindest regards Mark.
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oh and to answer monkeybean it was LINCOLNSHIRE
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I DO NOT think you have been robbed.
If the coin has the potential to be worth a great amount of money, any experienced collector worth his salt would have to oblidge himself by doing due diligence by proving it's authenticity as a good qulaity silver antoninianus of Allectus.
If that coin is of good quality silver, it still in my mind, needs to be confirmed as genuine.

I would not commit myself to the purchase of it unless it is.

I really don't think this is the 'one that got away'.

Or to put it another way, if that coin is an ant. of very good silver, the new owner has had to part with thirteen thousand pounds to obtain it. You didn't.

On the other hand, thirteen thousand pounds is a heck of a lot of money to be paid for a genuine Allectus antoninianus that is nicely silvered and in top condition, that otherwise has a bronze core. It's now their risk, not yours.
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At the risk of repeating myself I'll also state that I do not think that you were robbed. Have you fully understood the discussion we have had up to this point regarding AR and silvered AE?


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however the word that came down on the grapevine to me was that he realised a price of £13,000


If this is true the buyer paid 99% more than the coin is worth, well done to the seller but not something that could have been predicted. If that buyer is reading this I have some 'magic beans' you may be interested in, get in touch
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 Posted 03/12/2013  07:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merlinwhirlin0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
sel 691 I find your comment to have a rather aggressive quality but with some merit as to my dillagence I have made already quite clearly I failed in that regard as to authenticity I found it in context as stipulated in an area that had given up numerous roman. so that as the finder is in no doubt un less your now questioning my sincerity? as to being robbed I feel somwhat justified ,i received £100 pounds for the item and whilst excepting he must make a profit their must be a degree of fairness if not then only unfairness because he has a greater understanding of what I had surley is no reason or justification to take advantage to that degree greed my friend is the very curruption of all that is good in life I found it metal detecting and I started doing it purley for the interest in history the personal involvement in finding it not for finacial gain formost as you may think ,id dealt with this man before and was nothing other than courtiouse toward him and was in the know that anything that was displayed in front of him was hard earnt out in the field. he made the purchase on knowledge obtained over 30 or more years if your telling me because he put the time in hes intitled to notshare that information which is so readily given on this site and proceed to dupe sombody to that degree well my friend I'm afraid you are in tune with all thats wrong in this world you might say that because the bankers have the knowhow in the fiscall comunity ,they have ernt the right to be paid the bonuses they receive regardless of the greed and corruption that has brought the crises in the financial world whilst the people being hurt as a result all over western world would be in agreement theyve taken advantage of being in a privaliged position.
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 Posted 03/12/2013  07:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merlinwhirlin0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
you may also note 691 I am not a collector also what risk at £100 it has been said already it is on par with one at$600 and so a real bonus if silver and with regard to what he got? I've stressed it is hearsay -from someone close but to be trusted possibly not but thats why I'm on here to gain insight! had I known of this forum then I would have come here first "you can only shoot a man because he dident know the bullit was comming his way" its not because I'm bitter about it only dissapointed in myself and the nature of people in general
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The feeling of being 'robbed' is natural but I wonder if the buyer really intended to be a 'thief'. I have gone to flea markets and seen things which I suspected were valuable and asked the owner "What do you need for this" ? The fact that I later sold the item for $500 is really less important than the fact that I didn't in anyway "hoodwink" the owner. If this 'shark' pretended to offer friendly advice and in response to you said something akin too "Naaa nothing special" then made an insulting offer when he new full well it was worth a thousand times more ..... well that would be different ! I have one Allectus and I have collected ancients for over 35 years. I don't know that much about them. If you had offered it to me for $500 I no doubt would have 'admired' it and moved on. I would have been a fool but a fool with $500 still in pocket to buy coins with. I suspect that there may be some of both involved here. The new owner probably was as astounded by his 'Windfall' as you are upset by your hasty mistake. Personally if I found some ancients they would be very special to me. When I was 15 I went to Greece on vacation. While walking the ruins of Corinth I kicked some dirt and noticed a stone which looked unusual ..... a marble toe. I still have it ! To me it is priceless
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merlinwhilin0: If you have learnt a little from this thread, I feel humbled.
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