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 Posted 03/13/2013  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add elkslayer132 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anytime within 45 days the buyer can back out after that only trust is involved. I presold 20 of the first dino for $120 each and they were delayed months and not one person asked for a refund they all understood the delay and waited and they all got their coins and were happy in the long run.
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 Posted 03/13/2013  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are still copyright laws. The mint copyrights all of it's images. Look but don't copy, reprint or reproduce. Just because your book is in the library doesn't give everyone the right to copy it and publish their own copys. The mint is very clear that the images are not to be used for resale or advertising or promotion, without their permission. Putting the images in a public catalog does not nullify copyright laws or exclusive ownership of images. The mint rarely does, but could prosecute if they wanted to
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 Posted 03/13/2013  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CanadianCoins1999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just want to ask how long ago did such leaks of info start, is it relativwly new or has been going on for a time now,
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 Posted 03/13/2013  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheOne to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok thanks silverroid for actually answering my question..
And for the rest I could care less if she has photo or coins early
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 Posted 03/13/2013  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't agree with the copyright argument.

There are copyright laws â€" yes but here's the difference: she's reselling a product and as such, she is absolutely justified to display what she is selling.

The parallel about books in the library doesn't hold any ground here either. Although I cannot copy an entire book, I can certainly use passages with proper footnotes. I can read the book and post a review with a scan of the cover page as a reference if I wanted to.

The problem with coins is that the picture pretty much tells the whole story. So it would be hard for a judge to find someone guilty of violating Copyright laws by re-printing a picture from a catalog! Think about this for a minute, it is so silly. She's not trying to deceive anyone, or pretend that "She" created the coin herself.

Quite frankly, this whole secrecy surrounding pre-released coins is totally absurd and must stop. The fact that these images leaked does not take anything away from the RCM, it does not penalize nor affect their potential revenues. On the contrary.

I'm personally sick of the whole RCMP charade
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 Posted 03/13/2013  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcadon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There was a musician a few months back - put the image of a penny (pennies) on his CD cover. The copy-write police were all over it and were about to sue him http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...d_cover.html- until it became a media nightmare. He should have just taped an actual penny to each cd - cheaper in the long run.
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03/13/2013 10:29 pm
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and post a review with a scan of the cover page as a reference if I wanted to.


Ah.........no you can't. If the book wasn't even released yet, or you were profiting from the article, you would get sued big time and they would win.


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she's reselling a product and as such, she is absolutely justified to display what she is selling.


They are not pictures of her coins, they are copyrighted images from the RCM. That she is using to pre-sell coins.


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So it would be hard for a judge to find someone guilty of violating Copyright laws by re-printing a picture from a catalog!

That is precisely what the copyright laws are there to protect. Read the sticky at the top of this forum, if you post pictures here from the RCM website or any catalogs , you may be banned

MUST READ: Copying From the Mint Website.

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I've seen them so I know it's real but how is she allowed...

Share your opinion or thoughts on this seller


The point is, she's not allowed. And I am sure she is very nice, reliable and a first class seller and I, like you, could care less if she posts these pictures. But if I was also a seller selling the same coins , but doing it " by the legal rules "
I think that I would be upset, that she is breaking the law to out sell me. Just my thoughts
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 Posted 03/13/2013  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
^^ goes to show how far some can go to defend non-issues. This isn't about copyright. It's about the freedom of speech and free access to information.


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Ah.........no you can't. If the book wasn't even released yet

It's in a library... so it's been released.
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03/13/2013 11:12 pm
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 Posted 03/13/2013  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canuck1us to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I copy someone's book and resell or give away my copy, I am potentially taking profits away from the rightful owner.

The same goes for music, movies, art, etc.

The ebay seller that is producing the gold plated coin with a very similar mint packaging is taking away from potential sales of the mint by using or at least closely replicating the RCM's images. i.e. someone may buy his knockoff product rather than a RCM farewell product.

I can certainly understand the purpose of copyright law protecting against such practices.

I can also understand not taking another ebay seller's image and using it to sell my product as I may hinder their sales.

In the case of karlyshannon, she is using the RCM's images to sell the mint's own product. She is not harming the RCM in any way. A buyer can choose to buy a coin from her or the RCM but either way, the RCM gets the sale of that product.

In addition, any advance preview of a coin on here will only serve to hype the excitement and potentially benefit the RCM's sales. A non-MC member seeing an image of a product is not going to allow them any earlier access than they would normally have.

I can understand this site enforcing the letter of the law if the RCM has requested it - they are just protecting themselves. However, I think it is silly for the RCM to protest the display of images on here that have made their way to public domain either from MC members or from those who have obtained "spy photos" from Canada Post catalogs.
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 Posted 03/13/2013  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
lol @ her stealing the images and then watermarking them with her own name.

Presales are a surefire way to get some negs. Too many things can go wrong with them.
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 Posted 03/13/2013  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It's kind of annoying how people are talking about these coins and they've seen them in some catalog in a public place, but the images aren't allowed to be shown to the rest of us.


Yes, but there are other forums beside this one where you can find pictures of the coins. Like the RFD forum.
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 Posted 03/13/2013  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Yes, but there are other forums beside this one where you can find pictures of the coins. Like the RFD forum.


Even simpler. Just ftp to RCM (publicly open, no hacking involved) and get them there.
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lol @ her stealing the images and then watermarking them with her own name.


Whoooa - now we are talking about "stealing". I guess this is well beyond copyright infringement now. We need to report this to higher authorities.
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 Posted 03/14/2013  12:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add elkslayer132 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mint won't do anything about it to worried about watching here to worry about things that really matter
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Whoooa - now we are talking about "stealing". I guess this is well beyond copyright infringement now. We need to report this to higher authorities.

who is not doing thee same thing on ebay? Put your ID on the pictures copied from mint.ca
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