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Cyprus Deposit Tax: Could This Start A Rush To Hard Assets?

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 Posted 04/08/2013  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1188howest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I KNOW FOR A FACT the debt IS being bought....


Socrates too knew nothing ...


-member banks are bidding with counterfeit fiat(false assets)baiting private investors into a short term solution forcing hard assets(PM's) to surface while supressing the real value of those PM's.

THE TREND IS DECEPTION ON A GLOBAL FINANCIAL SCALE.

BUY SILVER WHENERVER YOU CAN.
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 Posted 04/08/2013  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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member banks are bidding with counterfeit fiat(false assets)baiting private investors into a short term solution forcing hard assets(PM's) to surface while supressing the real value of those PM's.

THE TREND IS DECEPTION ON A GLOBAL FINANCIAL SCALE.


Honestly theres nothing fake about fiat money, its real money as as real as anything else. It has been for quite some time and unless the world falls apart and returns to the middle ages theres not going to be a return to pm money, its not possible.

Are things great no, are they that bad no. Maybe it is deception but its going to go on forever, theyll up up debts before they allow the entire world to collapse.

As far as holding back PM values, theyre coming off of essentially all time highs so I dont see how theyve been held back. They traded for decades with PM currencies at lower prices than they are now, if anything the you could probably say the paper trading has done more to raise the base price than lower it.

Yes theres a lot of stuff out there how silver should just be exploding, the reality is it probably shouldnt. At no point in its 2000+ year history has it ever been viewed as super valuable like some thing want you to believe. Remember theres a lot of money to be made by the fear mongering.

Yup goes to the extreme nothing bad could ever happen, you went to the other that its assured. The reality lies in the middle. Could something bad happen at somepoint absolutely, you dont know what lies ahead 20 30 40+ years from now. But at this point in time right now we do know that a global collapse is unlikely. We and the world have been through depressions before, we arent doing ourselves any favors how were going about it, but this isn't the first bad economic period and it wont be the last.
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 Posted 04/08/2013  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wjl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dollar will fall after the German election and gold will rise. I think once the election is over you will see fund flows into Europe.
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 Posted 04/08/2013  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1188howest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Honestly theres nothing fake about fiat money


Every syllable is completely false.


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I think once the election is over you will see fund flows into Europe


Only if the monster elected is CALIGULA.
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 Posted 04/08/2013  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add starbuxinvestor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Things have value because collectively we agree they do. A nuclear arsenal and the world's strongest military is as valid a backing for a currency as gold IMHO. PMs aren't magic they can fall out of favor just like a fiat currency.
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 Posted 04/08/2013  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Star last comment has it nailed it... haha!

and,,,that is why the US dollar will ALWAYS remain the worlds NUMBER ONE reserve currency, and nations abroad will purchase US debt,,, and why the US long bond will always be the biggest safe haven.

Everyone frets about the US debt situation. Its nothing to worry about. Everyone is out about the dollar.

The bottom line is the entire world is held by the short hairs by the good ole USA :D. the worlds CBs work along side the Federal Reserve.....

this is why, I say, Cyprus was a big nonevent, a big yawner. There was no panic and fear. It did not send shockwaves through the EU.

Furthermore, we JUST came out of a great slowdown. Those kind of events happen but to think that dark cloudy skies and a nuclear winter/meltdown on the financial side will happen... is just wrong thinking. Just look at the complete melt down in PMs....
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 Posted 04/09/2013  01:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Every syllable is completely false.


Just saying something doesn't make it true.

Like star said things have value because we say they do. Theres no god given value to silver or gold either its valuable because people say it is. You could run a nation with sea shells for money if thats what people wanted to do.

I take it youve never used a dollar bill or non silver coin though since its fake?
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 Posted 04/09/2013  03:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wjl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Bank of Japan is now fully committed to the currency war. I beleive that will be good news for fund flows into Europe.

100 years ago or so everything was priced in British pounds. Today nothing is priced in GBP.
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 Posted 04/09/2013  05:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1188howest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yup yup yup trolls-a-plenty.
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 Posted 04/09/2013  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wjl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"A nuclear arsenal and the world's strongest military is as valid a backing for a currency as gold IMHO."

Large armys have killed more currencies than anything else.
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The individual investor does not affect price in the short term. The two factors that have pushed both gold and silver higher is central bank buying and the horrible performance of the mining companies who have had a very difficult time producing as they face higher costs and mine lower grades. Gold is very leveraged, and if you are trading it you can have a very bullish long term view but from time to time you will have to sell because of the leverage aspect.

Today Silver will buy more gasoline than it did in 1960. So in terms of purchasing power silver has done well and both are non renewable resources. That doesn't mean silver will go down but it could mean oil will go up at some point.

However this relationship is not caused by anything other than the fact we produce less silver and much more gasoline than was the case in 1960.
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"Just look at the complete melt down in PMs...."

What meltdown? I've been waiting for a meltdown like in 1977, so I can get uberbullish, until then there is little reason to take a position in gold unless you have no position right now which I'd venture to guess that almost everyone here has a substantial position. If you think this is a meltdown, you have seen nothing yet. The biggest problem gold has right now is that its a victim of its own success. There are people who have been holding it for the last 10-15 years who are sitting on what are the best returns to be had in the last decade. If other opportunities present themselves they are going to sell, as they should because when gold goes from being allocated in reserve to becoming capital that is good for the economy. Afterall that is the whole purpose of preserving liquidity for use at some future time.
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Bottom line is- Cyprus was a nonevent and HUGE global yawner... like picture a lion when it yawns,,, it was that big of a yawn.

IT did not make credit spreads in any country widen, there was no fear and panic. Gold and silver did not get a lift, at all.

Going forward I would not be surprised that gold and silver continue their powerful downtrend and then get mired in a time period where they do absolutely nothing thereby making/putting large chunks of money into them a horrible long term investment, think of it as dead money.

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the US dollar will ALWAYS remain the worlds NUMBER ONE reserve currency, and nations abroad will purchase US debt,,, and why the US long bond will always be the biggest safe haven.


It must be nice to live in lala land, a state of complete unconsciousness.
There's already plenty of discussions about the next world reserve currency.
With a growing 16 trillion dollar debt and QE to infinity, some nations already
stopped purchasing the debt. That's obvious with the only bond buyer these days is your
own Federal Reserve. All G20 countries have provisions in their budgets to save certain banks
with a Cyprus style "bail-ins".(confiscation of wealth). Jim Sinclair stated 2 weeks ago:

"Cyprus was a major mistake by the IMF. This was meant to shift the onus from debt monetization to the depositors. This means you should move your money out of the banking system and into something else like gold. If Cyprus was successful it would have caused the Dow to plummet down to as low as 1000 points because it would be a shift away from QE. QE would be second."

Keep on yawning, you stand alone


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There's already plenty of discussions about the next world reserve currency.


Theres little chance the US dollar gets replaced anytime in the near future, Chinas strength is overrated.

That said the idea that what is today will always be is just simply not true. The US will more than likely fade into history one day like every society has or at the very least its current form will from a split or something like that.
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