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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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If you live in the US, Cyprus is probably not a big deal. If you live in a country that is a member of the EU, then it is a big deal.
Growing pains? The EU has been around since 1992 when the Maastricht Treaty was signed. 20 years is a long time to have growing pains.
I would hold off parking money in Germany....remember they will be having elections in September of this year and Merkel is trying to get relected. One of the reasons that Cyprus was treated differently. How would she explain to the German public that they bailed out Russians?
Looks like attention is back on Portugal since the courts here have blocked cuts.
In the UK, folks are still not happy that the public did not get a vote on the Lisbon Treaty and with David Cameron regarding his on/off/on again EU referendum promises. By the way, I have met Nigel Farage (even have a photo of him and me).
The US Senate recently blocked an $65 million increase of funding to the IMF.
Ken
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Not sure how much gold the UK has left considering that Gordon Brown sold off 400 tonnes (around half of the reserves) between 1999 and 2000 at prices under £300 an ounce. Rumor has it that this was done to prevent a collapse of a large international bank.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
616 Posts |
20 years and the first real financial crisis. Europe is totally going through the growing pains of understanding what they did and the weaknesses within.
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Valued Member
United States
329 Posts |
Well if Europe was actually growing then there wouldn't be any pain. Ken is correct Cyprus was treated this way because of the election. Most of the Russian money left which is what caused te insolvency in the first place. Intially it will boost the economy, just in time for the election simply by scaring money out of banks. But there is price to pay down the road in cnfidence and it will be costly.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3789 Posts |
ummm most of you miss the point.. if things were seriously bad about this,, the credit spreads would widen. I wasnt talking about credit.. for the love of god... many of you are clueless :/
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I didnt say German assets, I said BUNDS.... do you know what that is if not go google!! my god you people... god help u!
**state your opinions but keep it on a friendly note**
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3789 Posts |
Heres another,,, why Cyprus doesn't matter... things are humming along fine with the aid of CB's whether you like it or not. You can go on and on and on and on and speculate till you are blue in the face about this or that. But guess what, markets dont care.
Dream on if you are of the thought that Cyprus means anything
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Valued Member
United States
329 Posts |
I don't think Cyprus matters either. However, down the road you will see another crisis and it won't be a rush to gold but to cash outside the system and thats much worse as money does not circulate.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3789 Posts |
Look my friends-
why do I blow off or ignore this Cyprus news? Why am I so stubborn and wont budge? Is it that I want to stick my head in the sand? Is it I am overly positive and see things via a rose colored tint with fuzzy rabbits and babies and candy canes? Is it I want to instigate problems or cause problems?
Let me state one thing before I proceed- I trade commods, currency and stocks from any country. I wish to only follow a trend. When it comes to gold and silver, I will follow the trend. ... and dont get me wrong. I feel EVERYONE SHOULD own for the long term and add when the prices are right, gold, silver to their savings accounts. By no means am I saying these hard assets arent good.. they are, so long as you buy right and dont go overboard. Ok now we got that out of the way-
my dear dear fellow coin fiens and collectors of shiny silver and gold- the biggest reason is the strong hand of central banks. One cannot beat them. They have the ability to flood the markets with enough liquidity that fear and panic are slowly but surely flushed out.
They have the power and the authority to weaken credit spreads,,, bond yields and more to bring calm and order. As you all have seen, they have the power and exert great influence to knock down their own currencies. Betting, or going contrary to the CBs is very costly and they will break the back of anyone attempting to front run them. It cant be done. ... and please dont forget they ALL work together.
Secondly, my friends.... there is a point where assets fall enough, hard enough, swift enough,,, where the markets decide they have value and are ready to, in a aense to start from scratch as a recovery starts. These hedge funds, funds, banks, theres no, zero, zilch, zippo, nada,,, gain for them for a scenario where everything gets smashed to zero. They will stop, and start to snap up all these assets.
This also includes the debt of all these countries that are having trouble. For pennies, dimes, on the dollar, all this debt by these countries, will be repacked, sold and someone will take advantage of debt buying it for pennies on the dollar and in time turn around and flip the debt for a huge gain.
Lastly- no matter what and how much free money CBs inject into the system, they will find or invent a program to suck up the free money. Trust me, they will find a way.... and YES.... I do think they print it, circulate it, and in the end, they buy it and mop it up themselves and put it away in some spot.. until the next time. .. and yes, I said that.
I understand how you all are very spectical of what the CBs do. But in the end... if you look closely and are in the thick of this,, can see that no matter what,,, the mighty hand of the CBs is always present and it is something you cant fight nor think will disappear from being around.
I certainly hope you can now understand why I adhere to the stubborn line that Cyprus is not a big deal.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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*meant to say skeptical* sorry trying to multi-task as I prepare for the week
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Valued Member
Canada
470 Posts |
- Oh to the contrary,in reality, no-one(private investors) is buying debt,they(member banks) are creating even more exponential-debt and crisis to root out and bleed to death all those holding hard assets(real money).
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Valued Member
United States
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"I understand how you all are very spectical of what the CBs do. But in the end... if you look closely and are in the thick of this,, can see that no matter what,,, the mighty hand of the CBs is always present and it is something you cant fight nor think will disappear from being around."
And this has changed in what way? The Fed is already the US's third central bank. And god knows how many they've had over in Europe. They tend to disppear when there is nothing left pilfer.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
616 Posts |
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Correct me if I am wrong but I believe The Fed contributes about $85 billion annually to the Federal Government from the profits on its investments. That may be a pre expense figure.
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Valued Member
United States
329 Posts |
"Oh to the contrary,in reality, no-one(private investors) is buying debt,they(member banks) are creating even more exponential-debt and crisis to root out and bleed to death all those holding hard assets(real money)."
People are buying debt. Deposit insurance is limited (and even more so than anyone thought) which is the reason some sovereign bonds are so attractive. The main problem is money is not circulating. Velocity is low hence the need for constant liquidity injections. If you use the hard assets to hedge your bonds you will sleep better.
Edited by wjl 04/08/2013 09:47 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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ummm...i dont have much time to break this done but lets be clear what I mean by "Debt" in my post in this thread.
I am referring to eurozone debt, I am talking about all these countries that have done bond offerings, thats the debt, it is sold and repackaged as bonds. It pays a yield....
so lets stick to my forum thread... I was addressing Cyprus, Greece, Spain, Port, It, etc.
I KNOW FOR A FACT the debt IS being bought.... these are bond offerings. SO please lets stay on course.
We can get into a discussion of other debt if you wish, at another time and place.
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