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New Coins - April Public Release - Venetian Glass Butterfly

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 Posted 04/03/2013  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add elkslayer132 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I spent thousands of dollars at gatewest am I not entitled to 1 coin at retail I was not able to get one from there how is that right also how can you take my money for a silver duck subscription and wait a full year before sending it you are earning interest off of my money before the coins are even made.Will I have to track down my order like I did for the G of 7 box that you "forgot" to send me. Track me I may be using C/A for now on anyways.
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 Posted 04/03/2013  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allspice to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Locutis, it's my understanding that Gatewest is the leading trend-setter of Canada. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

If GW or other dealers sell coins at issue price, then that would set the value of the coin. I don't see why flippers complain about dealers setting trends. That raises the value of their coin, doesn't it? Sometimes it happens quickly. Other times, overnight. Supply & demand plays a major role. When orders are overwhelming, the demand is high; prices must rise. I can see how multiple orders with various accounts plays havoc on the system...
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 Posted 04/03/2013  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rockdaddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome to hear about COTY, I'll be phoning tommorow. Thank you for coming and defending the company you represent. I've always loved gatewest, lots of stock and great shipping prices.
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 Posted 04/03/2013  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rockdaddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What does COTY stand for?
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 Posted 04/03/2013  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newman26 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just my guess...Coin Of The Year?
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 Posted 04/03/2013  10:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Locutis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I spent thousands of dollars at gatewest am I not entitled to 1 coin at retail I was not able to get one from there how is that right


I'm sorry you didn't get one when we opened. We have over 60,000 customers, and over 20,000 of them order regularly. With this issue, we can't even supply 1 coin to a small fraction of them. Inevitably we will disappoint customers. Everyone does. The Mint, us, Colonial Acres, CCC, J&M, every one of us will disappoint some customers.


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also how can you take my money for a silver duck subscription and wait a full year before sending it you are earning interest off of my money before the coins are even made.


If you only knew the logistics behind these subscriptions through the distributor network, you would understand. We sell a $210 product which we charge $6.50 for shipping on. It costs us between $15 and $20 to ship it out. After all is said and done, we make less than Canada Post did shipping the coin to you.


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Will I have to track down my order like I did for the G of 7 box that you "forgot" to send me. Track me I may be using C/A for now on anyways.

If you were one of only a couple of customers whose order we lost track of, I'm sorry. We receive and process approximately 30,000 orders annually. We lose track of about 5 of those every year.


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Locutis, it's my understanding that Gatewest is the leading trend-setter of Canada. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

If GW or other dealers sell coins at issue price, then that would set the value of the coin. I don't see why flippers complain about dealers setting trends. That raises the value of their coin, doesn't it? Sometimes it happens quickly. Other times, overnight. Supply & demand plays a major role. When orders are overwhelming, the demand is high; prices must rise. I can see how multiple orders with various accounts plays havoc on the system...


In a normal world, this is the case. In the past we were able to offer hot coins even for several days or even a week after release/sell out at the issue price. Now we can't even last an hour.

If we were able to actually offer all of our Butterfly coins allocated to us at the issue price, online, we would have sold out literally in the first 1/2 hour. Then we would have none left for anyone at all. However, you are correct with regards to dealers setting prices. If a customer can see that a dealer is selling a product for $200 and on ebay it's $250, they'll stop bidding on ebay, and buy from the dealers. That sort of sets the market.

However, in the past 2 years things have changed, and more so in the past 18 months. There is more demand for limited issue coins than there are coins available. However, that demand is solely because the mintage is low. If the Mint were to make 15,000 of one of these, or even 20,000 the demand would instantly CEASE. Therein lies the problem. Make too few, and demand outpaces supply. Make too many, demand ceases because the product isn't hot.

I could write a book about all of my experience with dealing with issues, mintages, products, and prices, in my 15 years of experience. Do I personally collect coins? Not one. Oh, I shouldn't say that, I collect the ones I've had a hand at making.

What do I collect? LEGO

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04/03/2013 10:17 pm
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 Posted 04/03/2013  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fillurboots to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wah,Wah,Wah ladybug just sold for over a thousand on ebay I could got a couple at issue a couple at 250,500,600 but I didn't I don't like the coin I feel like it's more about glass then a coin.I don't have or want the other ones either.Everybody flips nowadays I bought 5 penny rolls from GW (first time ordering from them) but had to buy them with the regular roll to at 20 a piece still a better deal then ebay and it was a nice experience,but I only buy what I also like 3 of them were for my 2 boys and a buddy (got my 1 from the mint)other 2 were to flip try and get some my money back because I don't have alot money to spend on coins so I try and flip a few to buy others I want for my collection.

I feel bad for dealers and flippers some coins they lose on nobody talks
about them,I also believe ebay sets the price nowadays.Not dealers.Take the special wrap penny people were paying 50 on ebay when GW was 20 why shouldn't they get 50 to.

I also don't believe anyone should be able to get like 50 of them when others can't get 1.I really wanted the 5 coin penny set sold during mc I can't afford mc ATM to bad I'm gonna buy 1 from ebay at 2x issue price.

RCM,CP messed up the butterfly and needs to fix that problem first and I also believe a few should be kept for regular release.
Also if GW sold 1 or more at issue price good for them cause that's more then most I believe and def more then any regular flipper did.
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 Posted 04/03/2013  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newman26 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know what you mean about the 5 penny set. I really want it myself but the price is just a bit high for my taste.
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 Posted 04/03/2013  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fillurboots to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@newman26

Ya but I really like it think it's very historic and I believe very soon it will be out of my price range so if I want it I need to get it now.
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 Posted 04/03/2013  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allspice to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Quote: However, in the past 2 years things have changed, and more so in the past 18 months. There is more demand for limited issue coins than there are coins available. However, that demand is solely because the mintage is low. If the Mint were to make 15,000 of one of these, or even 20,000 the demand would instantly CEASE. Therein lies the problem. Make too few, and demand outpaces supply. Make too many, demand ceases because the product isn't hot.

I can see how this is a major problem. Has the Mint ever tried surveying its customers with the kind of products they like or would like to see? What they are willing to pay for certain products? This could help determine/set a fair price with a feasible mintage. Of course, it would require a great deal of work, but might help alleviate future complaints & headaches.

Locutis, if you ever decide to write that book, it would be a best seller for sure!

LEGO sounds like a nice, relaxing hobby BTW...
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 Posted 04/03/2013  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newman26 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ fillurboots yeah I'm in the same boat as you. I collected pennies as a hobby when I came to Canada 20 yrs ago. I think it'll be worth the investment in the long run I just have to spych myself enough to spend that much on it lol
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 Posted 04/03/2013  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unclekim to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Locutis, I do disagree with you (being marked as an evil RFD'er / flipper) as I do not see any difference between dealer and flipper (other than flipper carrying more risks).
But I welcome your appearance here and hope you'll continue your participation in our conversations.

If/when your system would be upgraded, will you start charging orders when you ship, not when the order is placed? (yes, I bought Group of 7 box from you last year in April/May)
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04/03/2013 11:07 pm
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 Posted 04/03/2013  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rockdaddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will agree, things have definetly changed in the last couple years, even the last 12 months.

I guess I just need to become a legitimate small time dealer.
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 Posted 04/03/2013  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tristen1230 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Forget about things changing in the last 12 months. Think about what changed in the last week with this release.
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 Posted 04/03/2013  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sunfish to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dealers love that they can place a premium on this coin and still sell them quickly. Flippers will always exist and just make the game more interesting. People want what they cannot have XD
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