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1948 Dollar - Cleaned ?

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 Posted 05/25/2013  7:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add macdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Im not that good at grading coins yet..and have been stung buying cleaned coins that were sold as mint etc and was wondering if I'm right about a 1948 listed on ebay ?
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 Posted 05/25/2013  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petersun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Specify, please. Which listing?
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 Posted 05/25/2013  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I forgot to do this sorry, the listing has ended. I got a reply from seller and he stated he thinks it may have been at one time but wasnt sure. That was enough for me - no interest in cleaned coins I made some costly mistakes on some coins I purcahsed only to have them come back from ICCS noted cleaned so I'm gun shy now.
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 Posted 05/26/2013  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GaryN to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I find it so strange that people would rather look at an old dirty coin rather than an old nicely cleaned coin. I collect coins because I enjoy looking at them and I can easily see the design that was put on the coin, the date, etc. I guess it takes all sorts, but for me, there's nothing better than a golden coin that glistens in the sunlight.
I realize this thread isn't about: to clean or not to clean, I just had to vent a little.

thanks for the oportunity.
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 Posted 05/27/2013  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john517 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO cleaned coins are just ugly. In hand I can spot them instantly it doesn't take a genius to see them you just have to train your eye. The best way to do that is to study a cleaned coin and the only sure way to get one is to clean it yourself, make sure it is a Bullion Value scrap coin and try it out.

There are a few ways I spot cleaned coins depending on the alloy.

1. On copper coins check for contrast color on high points vs the planchet.For instance if the overall appearance of the coin is dull brown but the legend is shiny copper you may have a cleaned coin.

2. On silver any chemical treatment will give the coin all of the shine but none of the luster of a mint strike coin, the shine will be duller than a natural coin. This is hard to explain but impossible to forget once you learn how to spot it.

3. Again for silver coins check the rims, if there is black put it back. If both the obverse and reverse are uniform with no signs of toning but the rims are black you may have a cleaned coin. This rule is not always true but it will help you spot some cheats.

4. Check grade, a VF30 coin is not going to end up that way without traveling around a bit. A lower grade coin that is shiny is usually a telltale sign of a cleaned coin for obvious reasons.

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05/27/2013 12:36 am
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 Posted 05/27/2013  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GaryN to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello John517, so are you saying that if I take a filthy coin to the sink with some hot water and soap, that a true collector will not be interested in it? I mostly deal with real low end stuff that's just for beginners, but I don't want to get off on the wrong foot here. Any further insight you or anyone can provide, it would be appreciated.
Thanks
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 Posted 05/27/2013  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IBGolden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You ever watch The Antiques Roadshow? When someone refinishes an old piece of furniture... "To bad, with the original finish it would fetch perhaps in the 20 thousand dollar range, but now... perhaps 2 grand."

Same with coins.

Search this coin forum on cleaning AND conservation topics... there are many.
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 Posted 05/27/2013  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RoyalSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yep, cleaned coins are pretty much worth bullion. Unless they are TRUE key dates such as the 48 dollar, 21 5cents and so on...

While I do agree that looking at a cleaned coin is more "eye appealing"... being a collector, I just know that the true value is almost gone. I have cleaned BV coins before, such as my 53 and 65 silver dollars...it was worth it for them lol.
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