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Quote:Direct quote from mint.ca "First bronze coin ever produced by the Royal Canadian Mint!" So, if you doubt that... provide an example of another. Here you go... next time, don't believe everything you read that is written by a marketing department. Canadian 1-cent coin, business strikes 1908 to 1975 (Ottawa mint), 1976 to 1996 (Winnipeg Mint) Canadian 1-cent coin, proof-like strikes 1953 to 1996 (Ottawa mint) Canadian 1-cent coin, specimen strikes 1908 to 2000 (Ottawa mint) Canadian 1-cent coin, proof strikes 1981 to 2003 (Ottawa mint) All those coins contain varying compositions of copper, tin and zinc (i.e., bronze). Source: Royal Canadian Mint reports (pick any year) and the Charlton Catalogue... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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06/18/2013 8:41 pm
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Its all word play, it is the first "Bronze" coin produced by the mint even though its mostly copper and the one cent coins are "Copper" even though you could call them a type of bronze ..  So basically because the RCM calls it "Bronze" it can be advertised as a first , and to make matters more confusing they could have used the recycled pennys to make the "Bronze" coins...confused yet?  Edited by Northerncoins
06/18/2013 9:52 pm
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Maybe it's the first bronze NCLT....
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You might have something there arianzo..  Canadian Bronze Coins 1858 to Date This site calls the penny "bronze" Quote:A law passed in 1857 established the dollar as the unit of money for the Province of Canada, and this unit was given the same intrinsic value as the USA'S gold dollar. This unit was divided into 100 cents, and coins of the cent denomination were first struck for Canada in 1858 at London's Royal Mint. Nearly half a million large, bronze cents were struck in 1858 and more than 10 million the following year. These bore a portrait of the reigning monarch Queen Victoria, and the dies were by famed engraver Leonard C. Wyon. The reverse of the new coins displayed a simple, ornamental wreath, a type which would last more than 60 years. Quote:
SPECIFICATIONS:
1858-1859:
Diameter: 25.40 millimeters
Weight: 4.54 grams
Composition: .950 copper, .040 tin, .010 zinc
Edge: Plain
1876-1920:
Diameter: 25.40 millimeters
Weight: 5.67 grams
Composition: .955 copper, .030 tin, .015 zinc
Edge: Plain
1920-1941:
Diameter: 19.05 millimeters
Weight: 3.24 grams
Composition: .955 copper, .030 tin, .015 zinc
Edge: Plain
1942-1977:
Diameter: 19.05 millimeters
Thickness: 1.65 millimeters
Weight: 3.24 grams
Composition: .980 copper, .005 tin, .015 zinc
Edge: Plain
1978-1979:
Diameter: 19.05 millimeters
Thickness: 1.52 millimeters
Weight: 3.24 grams
Composition: .980 copper, .0175 zinc, .0025 other
Edge: Plain
1980-1981:
Diameter: 19.00 millimeters
Thickness: 1.45 millimeters
Weight: 2.80 grams
Composition: .980 copper, .0175 zinc, .0025 other
Edge: Plain
1982-:
Diameter: 19.1 millimeters
Thickness: 1.45 millimeters
Weight: 2.50 grams
Composition: .980 copper, .0175 zinc, .0025 other
Edge: Plain The Bronze Allegory specs: Mintage15000 Composition 95% copper, 5% zincFinish proof Weight (g) 19.2 Diameter (mm)35.75 Edge serrated Certificate serialized Face value3 dollars Artist Laurie McGaw (reverse), Susanna Blunt (obverse) http://www.coinsite.com/content/art...daBronze.aspBronze From Wikipedia Quote:
There are many different bronze alloys but modern bronze is typically 88% copper and 12% tin.[10] Alpha bronze consists of the alpha solid solution of tin in copper. Alpha bronze alloys of 4- - "5% tin are used to make coins, springs, turbines and blades. Historical "bronzes" are highly variable in composition, as most metalworkers probably used whatever scrap was on hand; the metal of the 12th-century English Gloucester Candlestick is bronze containing a mixture of copper, zinc, tin, lead, nickel, iron, antimony, arsenic with an unusually large amount of silver - - " between 22.5% in the base and 5.76% in the pan below the candle. The proportions of this mixture may suggest that the candlestick was made from a hoard of old coins. The Benin Bronzes are really brass, and the Romanesque Baptismal font at St Bartholomew's Church, Liège is described as both bronze and brass.
Commercial bronze (90% copper and 10% zinc) and architectural bronze (57% copper, 3% lead, 40% zinc) are more properly regarded as brass alloys because they contain zinc as the main alloying ingredient. They are commonly used in architectural applications.[11][12]
Bismuth bronze is a bronze alloy with a composition of 52% copper, 30% nickel, 12% zinc, 5% lead, 1% bismuth. It is able to hold a good polish and so is sometimes used in light reflectors and mirrors.[13]
Plastic bronze is bronze containing significant quantity of lead which makes for improved plasticity[14] possibly used by the ancient Greeks in their ship construction.[15]
Other bronze alloys include aluminium bronze, phosphor bronze, manganese bronze, bell metal, arsenical bronze, speculum metal and cymbal alloys. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BronzeEdited by Northerncoins
06/19/2013 09:03 am
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Medallions and Tokens from the Royal Canadian Mint. They make some from "Brass" with a "Bronze" colour...  Quote:Medallions and Tokens from the Royal Canadian MintMedallions are typically issued for artistic, commemorative or souvenir purposes, not for commerce. On the other hand, tokens are for commerce and traded for their respective face values. Like medals, medallions and tokens are part of the exonumia (of coin-like appearance) subcategory of numismatics. From Trade dollars (for municipalities, theme parks, and casinos) to marketing promotions (in-pack/in-case promotions) to special events and gifts, the Royal Canadian Mint crafts medallions and tokens for a wide range of clients and occasions. Quick Facts Medallions are generally struck in non-precious metal â€" cupro-nickel, multi-ply, etc. Volumes are a minimum of 10,000 per order Standard sizes are 25mm, 30mm and 35mm Alloy choices include: copper, brass and nickel RCM-plated steel technology (representing gold, silver and bronze colours) Packaging is bulk or custom (special requests will be considered) Finishes include: brilliant uncirculated or silk http://www.mint.ca/store/mint/about....UcGmMhdJNcw |
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Northerncoins was on to something. I'm guessing they have to do something with all those older copper pennys. Why not make money off them. Someone's getting a rise for this one if it sells well.  |
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I do think these "Bronze" coins will be a hit as everyone who sees them up close really likes them alot so it appears and if that is the case then the other silver and gold allegory coins will be in demand with their lower mintage's as people wanting to make the allegory "set" . That said there can only ever be 2000 full sets, and 8500 silver/bronze sets. or 6500 silver/ bronze sets I guess if all the 2000 gold coins are already in full sets.  Edited by Northerncoins
06/19/2013 09:50 am
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First NCLT. I think this coin will do well! It is part of an "annual offering"... so if RCM doesn't go crazy with these bronze coins, and only makes one a year (or in rare occasion), I can see this as a continuous "series" that people will collect. It's cheap for young and low income collectors and looks nice. I like it and see high potential on this one. Not on a flipping side, I guess it's a long-term investment. |
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Nope. First NCLT was the 1908 specimen set with the bronze cent... mind you, it probably was easier to convert NCLT into LT back then. You just plucked the coins out of the set and spent them!
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But if you really want to get fussy, then does anyone remember the 2004 silver Victory 5-cent set? Mintage of 20,000 and it included a bronze medal depicting the original 1944 reverse with King George VI on the obverse.   Even older, Test Token TT-100.5 (now TT-100.4, 2013 Charlton Catalogue) http://caimages.collectors.com/coin...CGS_MS69.jpg"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Bad typo by the mint.
95%copper,5%zinc alloy is brass,not bronze.
It is the first brass coin issued by the mint.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Tokens,cores,patterns,medals etc. are not coins IMO.
PS-I wouldn't classify the toonie cores as brass because they contain no zinc.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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06/19/2013 11:22 am
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True. Except the counterfeit versions from 2004 and 2005...  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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