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 Posted 08/07/2013  03:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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A $2.50 denomination seems more reasonable/logical


VERY BAD IDEA! Same goes for the idea of say, a $25 bill or a $250 Bill or even, if they reissued a new $5,000 and $10,000 bill, I would say NO to a $2,500 Bill.

A $2.50 is too odd for me, and, it would confuse a lot of uneducated young teens, who are working at local fast food and other such joints.

I would HATE a coin or bill that contained both full AND fractional currency. and I believe we should have kept, and should go BACK to the "20 cent" coin.

We should possibly have:

2 cent coins
20 cent coins
$2 bills/or coins
$20 bills
$200 bills
$2,000 bills

(2 cent coins for if we decided we wanted to cut penny production in half. A 20 cent coin, if we wanted to eliminate the penny (and if we had a 2 cent coin again, eliminate that) and the nickel, and round to the nearest dime. $2 bills/coins because even denominations are easier to deal with with the IQ of a lot of younger Americans these days. We already have $20 bill, BUT I maybe, just MAYBE, (but I doubt it) be for a $25 bill replacing the $20 bill, so that I wouldn't have to carry five $20 bills, if I wanted to carry bill in a denomination that is not an overly small denoimination, like the $10 clogging up my wallet with $10s, or an overly large denomination like, a $50, and have four $25 bills, instead of five $20 bills bulking up my wallet, and because $20s are the most common bill in the U.S. after the $1 bill, I believe we "might" be able to save a little money by converting to $25 bills. As for $200 bills vs. $250 bills, again, too odd. We are used to quarter dollars, so I can see us using "quarter one hundred dollars ($25 bills)" And if we ever went back up to $5,000 and $10,000 bills, I say, issue a $2,000 bill over a $2,500 bill any day. Just my opinions.
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VERY BAD IDEA!
I agree.

The only reason why the Twenty Cent coin failed is that the quarter dollar remained.

Had the Twenty Cent coin replaced our quarter dollar, eliminating the nickel would be so much easier to do.
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 Posted 08/07/2013  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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$50 contains 1.546901022 troy ounces
$20 contains 0.773450511 troy ounces
$10 contains 0.361695899 troy ounces
$5 contains 0.18084795 troy ounces
$2.50 contains 0.090423975 troy ounces

UGH! This comes so close to a dollar per gram of silver, but then it takes a sharp left into Floating-Point Hell! Why not just add a nationwide conversion to metric along with an enormous sweeping currency reform? It can hardly make things any more difficult.
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 Posted 08/07/2013  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papermoney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't do a $2 coin. It would only have purpose to buy a candy bar, the same idea as having a $7 or $14 bill.
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Please, NO more dead presidents or ANY politicians. Period. Even the ones I voted for.

Or ... if we must, how about Theodore Roosevelt, who did more than any other politician to beautify the coinage of the USA?
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 Posted 08/07/2013  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larsdog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If we're going to add a $2 coin and make the $5 bill the smallest paper money (like Canada), I say we bite the bullet and go all the way. Get rid of pennies AND nickels. Round everything to a tenth of a dollar. When I was a kid and gasoline was 33.9c per gallon, we rounded to the nearest penny and a stick of gum was a penny. Now gas is $3.39 (and 9/10) per gallon and a piece of gum is at least a dime. Why do we STILL round to the penny?!?

If we eliminate nickels, that means no more quarters, either. So bring back the 20c piece!

Here's the plan:

dime: Roosevelt (no change to size)
20c coin: Washington (size of old penny)
50c coin: Kennedy (size of old nickel)
$1 coin: Lincoln (size of old quarter)
$2 coin: Jefferson (size of old half)

We had " Half Dimes", but they were too small, so we ended up with nickels larger than dimes. The old silver dollar was just too big for the pocket when Ike came out, so we ended up with SBAs like quarters. The above plan provides coin sizes we are all comfortable with, and we don't lose any presidents from coins. Lincoln would be the only one on coins and paper money with this plan, so I guess we could put Teddy Roosevelt on the $5 bill. I have never understood my a President that is enshrined on Mt. Rushmore isn't on ANY money when Washington has the quarter and the one, Jefferson has the nickel and the two, and Lincoln has the penny and the five.

Of course we would change the size of everything but the dime a LITTLE to prevent counterfeiting in vending machines, and there would have to be a migration from "old" coins to "new" coins (except dimes) in vending machines, toll boothes, etc., but they have to deal with that anyway when new coin sizes are introduced. It would also be a challenge for cash registers, gas pumps, computer programs, etc. to round to a tenth of a dollar instead of a hundredth of a dollar, but it would be a one-off event that pays dividends in the long-run.

The nice thing is that dimes will make the transition without change, so they could be the "bridge" coins. As a matter of fact, we could get Taggert, from Blazing Saddles, as a spokesperson:

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Lincoln would be the only one on coins and paper money with this plan, so I guess we could put Teddy Roosevelt on the $5 bill. I have never understood my a President that is enshrined on Mt. Rushmore isn't on ANY money when Washington has the quarter and the one, Jefferson has the nickel and the two, and Lincoln has the penny and the five.


I suggest a $5 coin, the size of the old Ike, with Theodore Roosevelt on it, only because some government sites I have read, have stated that $5 bills wear out even faster than $1 bills. And I also suggested a Theodore Roosevelt $200 bill, but if we put Teddy on the $5 coin, let's let Reagan fans have their way, and do a Reagan $200 bill, and reissue the $500 and $1,000 bills, but keep William Mckinley on the $500 and Grover Cleveland on the $1,000.

Lets make the $10 bill the lowest paper denomination. But I too, never understood why Teddy was the only President on Mount Rushmore the was not on a coin or bill, yet all three others were on a coin and a bill.


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dime: Roosevelt (no change to size)
20c coin: Washington (size of old penny)
50c coin: Kennedy (size of old nickel)
$1 coin: Lincoln (size of old quarter)
$2 coin: Jefferson (size of old half)

$5 coin: Theodore Roosevelt (size of the old Eisenhower dollar)

Or what about making the $2 coin the size of the current Sac and Prez dollars, and making the $5 coin the size of the old half?

I changed my mind. I would love to see another Ike-sized coin in general circulation, and it would be fitting for a denomination as high as a $5 coin, unless we did make the nbew $2 coin the size of the brass bix and made the $5 coin the size of the old half.


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The only reason why the Twenty Cent coin failed is that the quarter dollar remained.

Had the Twenty Cent coin replaced our quarter dollar, eliminating the nickel would be so much easier to do.


Yep! One conquered the other. The wrong one in this case. They should have kept the 20 cent over the quarter, for the future reason of getting rid of the nickel. Also, I heard that the only reason the Euro half circulates widely, is because they have 20 cent coins instead of Euro quarters, and its so that people don't have to carry two Euro fifths and one Euro dime.
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If we're going to add a $2 coin and make the $5 bill the smallest paper money (like Canada), I say we bite the bullet and go all the way. Get rid of pennies AND nickels


The Dirty little secret about pennies is that they are required to make it possible to pay for fractional taxes, most specifically Sales Taxes. Here in NY State and New York City both entities charge 4.45% sales tax for a combined levy of 8.9% which does get rounded-up to 9 cents on the dollar, but for smaller amounts the total of the sales takes requires pennies, or nickels.
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This is probably the wrong place to say this but I hate carrying coins in my pocket, other than my lucky Eagle. Even have my keys worked down to just three. I would much rather use bills for transactions.

As for recent presidents being polarizing my dad hated the Kennedy halves, called them "bootleggers". I still find myself saying it now and then.

I was stationed in Germany in 81-82 and Susan Bs and $2 bills while uncommon in the US were very prevalent over there. I once got a month's pay in $2 bills. All the vending machines were set up to take the dollar coin. I wonder if they're still common there.

And I agree with keeping the pennies for the reasons stated in the previous post. I can see governments being exstatic about rounding up taxes. No more increasing gas or sales taxes by a penny or two, let's go for the whole nickel. They'd love it !

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This is probably the wrong place to say this but I hate carrying coins in my pocket, other than my lucky Eagle. Even have my keys worked down to just three. I would much rather use bills for transactions.


You're doomed by the high cost of printing currency compared to minting coins, not so much in the actual production, but the coins last much, much longer and the savings adds up. The CBO estimates the US could save $55 billion over 10 years if they killed the $1 bill and replaced it with the $1 coin, and that doesn't count all the money saved if we weren't paying to warehouse the billions in $1 coins.

The economics will eventually will eventually be too hard to ignore, especially in this cost cutting environment.
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Why not just add a nationwide conversion to metric along with an enormous sweeping currency reform? It can hardly make things any more difficult.


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If we're going to add a $2 coin and make the $5 bill the smallest paper money (like Canada), I say we bite the bullet and go all the way. Get rid of pennies AND nickels.


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If we eliminate nickels, that means no more quarters, either. So bring back the 20c piece!
See my earlier comment, regarding how we should have handled the Twenty Cent coin the first time.

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to round to a tenth of a dollar instead of a hundredth of a dollar, but it would be a one-off event that pays dividends in the long-run.
No, in the long run it will be even money. You round up or down, over time it averages out, just as it does now rounding to the cent to account for sales tax.


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Also, I heard that the only reason the Euro half circulates widely, is because they have 20 cent coins instead of Euro quarters, and its so that people don't have to carry two Euro fifths and one Euro dime.
Just think, a successful Twenty Cent coin in the late 19th century could have allowed our half dollar to survive into the 21st century.



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he Dirty little secret about pennies is that they are required to make it possible to pay for fractional taxes, most specifically Sales Taxes. Here in NY State and New York City both entities charge 4.45% sales tax for a combined levy of 8.9% which does get rounded-up to 9 cents on the dollar, but for smaller amounts the total of the sales takes requires pennies, or nickels.


Rounding goes up or down to the nearest cent at the total; the same rules can apply to nickels and dimes. People who think that we cannot do sales tax without the cent do not understand math. A 8.9% sales tax is not rounded up to 9%. If you do not believe me, I suggest you collect a large number of receipts and spend some time with a calculator; examine how the total is rounded.
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Canadian GST is an even 5% - the Conservatives brought it down from 7% a few years ago, probably part of the great penny-crushing conspiracy. But in almost every province (except mine) there's PST on top of that, usually totaling around the more awkward 12%.

The amounts are always rounded AFTER tax... (and how did we ever do this math without the half-cent?)
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A 8.9% sales tax is not rounded up to 9%


I checked over 20 receipts I have saved for tax purposes and all have the sales tax rounded-up and 17 of the 20 require pennies to pay that rounded-up amount.

On a $1 item the sales tax is $.09 the sales tax, on a $2 item is $.18, the sales tax on $3 is $.27 that's rounding-up and requires pennies. I checked a bunch of receipts I have and cannot find one instance where the tax was ever rounded-down, and no totals are ever rounded-up or down AFTER tax. Also, I stand corrected, those are the amounts charged on a sales tax rate of 8.75% so the $.89 tax charged on a $10 purchase is also rounded up.
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DavidFNYC,

Can you provide the pre-tax total and the tax charged on the first 10 receipts you looked at?

Just about every tax calculation is rounded to the nearest penny and generally there are about as many rounded up as rounded down. If the tax rate were rounded to the nearest dime, there would still be as many rounded up as down and the amount of tax paid for several transactions would be roughly the same. The big difference is small transactions. Right now, you have to pay tax on any purchase over five cents. If tax was rounded to the nearest dime, you would not pay tax unless the total was over fifty cents.
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If the penny is eliminated: it will be rounded to the nearest nickel!!
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