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Wildman Thaler Genuine Or Not

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 Posted 09/01/2013  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add plonker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gecko, thank you very much for looking up my coin as well. That 1 1/4 thaler looks awesome. These German state thalers are special.

I don't know if you noticed on your coin seems to have a mount removed on 12' clock. Doesn't mean that could be real. I think also the weight and diameter can vary during different dies back then so some variations accepted but not sure 3 inches in diameter could be an acceptable.

Could you tell me where you see my coin is off ? I cant seem to find much difference. However I dont like the fact ring test doesn't work and a something looks like a rust spot at 6'clock.




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 Posted 09/01/2013  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GEKO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I dont know how many types there are out there of your coin but what I can see is that the obverse design
of yours appears to be similar to the one from 1701 if you look at the alignment of the trees on the bottom.
However the tree that the wildman is holding looks like the 1699. The Skirt doesn't look like neither of them and if you look at the right forearm it looks very round.

The reverse looks like the 1699 but the stars are thicker and the lettering is slightly shifted.
The Stars in general look very off....

Although I would not worry about the rust spot I have found a couple of austrian silver kreuzer that exhibited the same kind of wear
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 Posted 09/01/2013  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
plonker,
I certainly wouldn't recommend you believing that because a coin had been mounted that it was real.

In the 1970s, when there were East German, Russian and Lebanese fakes in the collectors' market, I was given a fake Gothic crown and a fake Una and the Lion £5 coin.

I had them both mounted and gave the gold one to my mum, and the silver one to my girlfriend. My mum's was stolen and is presumably around somewhere.

I have also seen jeweller's imitation coins mounted in pendants in auctions occasionally.
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 Posted 09/01/2013  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GEKO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been browsing the german coin forums and I am going to ask around there too.

From what I read there is a lot of fakes from old german coins coming from china and apparently the bay is full of it, of course.... but there might be more out there than one might think



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