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SPP Ottawa, I've had experiences attemping to return items to Bell and Moore auctions with negative results on items I've ppurchased online from icollector. Also, when I meant the three TOP auctioneers, I was specifically talking about the Canadian auctioneers selling Canadian coins, here in Canada. (I know Moore is U.S., however, his auctions are based in Toronto)

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 Posted 09/04/2013  2:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jg86 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Link to auction: http://www.moorecoins.com/The-Octob...tion_as19787

Moore's return policy from that auction:

11. RETURN POLICIES
Mail bidders may return incorrectly described or misattributed lots for
full credit within 5 days of receipt, except that as consignors must be
paid, late remittance may be cause to negate return privileges, and
absolutely no returns can be accepted for any reason after the expiry of
35 days from the date of the sale. ALL FLOOR SALES ARE FINAL, and no
returns will be accepted from floor bidders (including those acting as
agents for others) for any reason whatsoever.

So yes, he does accept returns, but there are many conditions as to who, when and why a return can be made.
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 Posted 09/04/2013  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Floor bidders, or agents acting thereof, usually have the option of viewing the lots in hand ahead of time, and making the decision themselves, to buy the coin (and not the holder)...
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 Posted 09/04/2013  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jg86 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree SPP. The only thing I might add though is that, as a primarily online bidder, I'll usually be following an auction with a few items I plan on bidding on. Sometimes I'll notice a coin come up that I hadn't noticed before, or where the price is much lower than I would expect. I'll quickly reference the description for any remarks, and then possibly place a bid. I could see this happening on the floor as well, where someone wasn't aware of an item, or saw something was about to sell for 30% of trend, and decided to place a bid, without having seen it.

The rules are the rules, I guess, but I think it still critical that the coin be described properly. Identifying the correct denomination, year, variety, and grade (whether or not certified) for sure... any major flaws or remarks such as whether the holder is still attached, would be almost as important and should still be correct. It is most likely going to be coins with some type of issue that end up selling for a low amount, and could result in the issue I mentioned above. I still think the seller should be responsible if someone on the floor was to buy a coin advertised as a 1948 dollar in VF20, only to discover it was a typo and was supposed to be a 1949 dollar in VF20.
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I know that I'm old school and with all of the variance in accurate grading these days and the "often" poor pics being offered for bidding purposes,...I would always want to see the coin in hand... a blurry or far away pic just doesn't do it for me.

To me it looks like the poor pics are done on purpose...
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I agree with I would always want to see the coin in hand but if you are an internet bidder (which there seems to be more of these days)you trust that the auctioneer has supplied the best quality picture that they can to avoid there reputation from being given a bad name. I have bought many Canadian coins through internet bidding and the coins have always matched the photo except once.
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