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 Posted 09/05/2013  04:49 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add kena to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Seems The Royal Mint decided to copy the Royal Canadian Mint to offer us a £20 for £20 coin.

http://www.royalmint.com/shop/UK_20...d_the_Dragon

When I placed an order for three, shipping was free since the order was over £45.

Now I have to wait until November to get the coins.

Ken
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 Posted 09/05/2013  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ordered 3. Free delivery, what is there to lose? Thanks for the heads up!
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 Posted 09/05/2013  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They seem to do this every so often as a lost leader. They don't make a profit but they do get your address as a "buyer" so be prepared for some mail shots.

The only bad side about it is every postman who delivers your letters knows there is a coin collector at that address.
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 Posted 09/05/2013  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kena to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't recall the last time they posted a mailshot out to me.
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 Posted 09/05/2013  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Demarco Bishopp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This makes me mad.

The St George design was made into a silver proof coin a few months ago and it was a big deal as it was the first time they had struck a silver coin in that design for over 100 years. Now they're making a £20 silver coin with the same design?

It just seems like this is going to screw up any collector value my proof had.
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 Posted 09/05/2013  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is interesting. However, there have been many problems in getting Canadian banks to accept $20 coins at face value, so you might have to try spending them privately to get your 20 quid back! (Preferably with someone who is familiar with the program.)

You may have to mail it to whatever central bank exists in the UK (actually, I have no idea if there even is a central bank or not).

I've heard that in Swizterland, however, any post office will readily exchange commemorative coins for face value.
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 Posted 09/05/2013  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Demarco Bishopp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
27mm in diameter. That's slightly smaller than a £2 coin and a lot smaller than the pre-decimal crown or the Royal Birth £5 coin they released earlier this year.

Well then, £20 for a £20 coin sounds like a pretty good deal. I'll just go place my order.
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 Posted 09/05/2013  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peter1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Non profit making!!!!!!!
£5,000,000 will be snatched from the collector.OK its silver but the Chinese seem to knock coins out cheaply.
I would imagine the weight to be about 12g.
About £6 of silver.
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 Posted 09/05/2013  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kena to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Specs of the coin from Royal Mint web site:

Issue Limit: 250,000
Alloy: .999 Fine Silver
Weight: 15.71g
Diameter: 27.00mm

Seems to an 1/2 ounce coin.

Makes the pricing for silver content similar to the Canadian $20 for $20, if not slightly better.
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Silver is about £16 per troy ounce so £8 silver per coin...nice marketing RM.
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 Posted 09/05/2013  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But every other coin you spend has a melt value below its face value. It's actually pretty clever for NCLT to do the same, and then bring the issue price (normally very high! a Canadian kilo of silver is sold for $2,200 today, has a melt value of $784.88, and a face value of $250) down to the face value. Many countries have done this at some point, distributing silver at its face value but not expecting it to circulate much. Spain had a 2000-peseta series, which seamlessly transitioned into 12-euros, I've heard of a few Eurozone countries making silver 5-euro coins (the Dutch ones, however, were debased...), France had a 50 and then 100 franc coin, Austria had 50 and 100 schillings, and Canada now has $20 for $20 coins that you could theoretically spend. So the UK is just following along in this very, very low-key trend of "circulating silver".

I'd try spending at least one!
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 Posted 09/05/2013  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CasualDave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks so good! I'm in Canada though so no shipping here :(

I would grab 3 so fast.
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 Posted 09/06/2013  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spikey Norman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder whether or not this will be oversubscribed? I have an order in via someone in the UK for two plus one for them so they and I can avail of the free postage, wonder if that's how many will be received ... and if not whether postage will then suddenly be incurred (sincerely hope not)?

From the blurb this is going to be an annual issue, will be interesting to see what happens with the mintages over the coming years.

Can't remember the last time I got a mailer from them .... must be months and months ago now.

Norm
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 Posted 09/06/2013  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augsburger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On another coin forum, James formerly of The Royal Mint said this will be a 2013 thing only.
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 Posted 09/06/2013  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Being a first issue, my guess is that it would end up being fully subscribed.
For a collector's piece, a quarter of a million does not make them all that rare.
Perhaps later years may be less well subscribed.

Quality control at the RM is usually very high.
I reckon it is better than the RAM or the RCM.

I think I would rather get me a sterling silver half crown.
You can get some rather nice ones for around 20 Pounds or less.
Only problem is, that it would not be in FDC condition.
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On another coin forum, James formerly of The Royal Mint said this will be a 2013 thing only.
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