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 Posted 10/27/2013  06:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peter1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Met
Sub contract grader!!
That is a new term to me.
I seem to remember you liking a artificially toned 1892 2/6- recently!!
I believe Tom plucked a typical 2/6 off ebay which hasn't been cleaned and is not worn to a silhouette.
Over the years I've bought some right turkeys but I'd like to think I've learn't from my mistakes.

How and what one collects is up to the individual.If a date is more important than condition that is fine by me.
Ad_ appears to me that he wants some quality at a bargain price.These actually do come along but a few frogs will be kissed upon the way.
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 Posted 10/27/2013  08:43 am  Show Profile   Check MetDet71's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add MetDet71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You still think that was an AT lol, oh well, each to their own I suppose
I would be very interested also in your opinion of the grade of the posted coin, might want to get your eyes tested first though, glasses may be in order .
On a side note, have you ever considered going to some really good coin fairs and looking at better coins ? I see your an expert from the advise you give out but no one ever stops learning in this 'game' - that includes me as well as you.
Feel free to PM me so as not to remove from the direction of the OP.

Regards,

Met
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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 Posted 10/27/2013  09:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MetDet, I think you'll find that Peter has been to some really good coin fairs and looked at better coins. In fact he's probably been to all of them
I've been collecting 40+ years, doesn't make me an expert but it does help me recognise people who talk sense.
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 Posted 10/27/2013  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ad_litteram to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your reply.

My 4 $ coinscale from China says it's 28.23 g. :)
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 Posted 10/27/2013  11:40 am  Show Profile   Check MetDet71's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add MetDet71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
alganbagerap, when he thinks he is correct all the time then he doesn't talk sense, obviously. Besides, just because this forum is UK (GB) coins, it doesn't mean that Peter knows more about the subject than anyone across the pond.
Peter is adamant about a coin being AT, he is wrong but has a dig at anyone that has a different opinion - my belief was that this was a place I could post my own opinion without getting ganged up on by Peter and crew. If this is not the case then it's probably time I stopped supporting the site, refrain from posting and find somewhere else that does not have, what seem to be anti American racist people within the community.

You have a good day now,

Regards,

Met.
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 Posted 10/27/2013  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I just want to add my opinion here, the coin you posted Tom Goodheart, you regard that as a nice coin? The beading is flat in places for a start. When I was 9 I inherited my grand fathers collection, this included coins that my great grand father had collected and I have purchased my own coins ever since. I wouldn't look twice at that coin unless it was cheap. Half crowns, as you know, are abundant and many early collectors seemed to have saved them thus keeping there condition in a nice state. I grade coins (only certain ones) on a sub contract basis and I would be interested to hear what grade you would put on that hc coin?

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Met.


Hi Met. As Peter suggested, I just picked that coin off the (then) current listings ebay as an example of what could be bought cheaply, but in a slightly better grade than some of the earlier examples.

I certainly wasn't holding it up as an examplar of the series!

And while, as if you've seen a few of my posts you'll know, I specialise in late hammered coins and claim no expertise in milled coinage, you did ask: I'd grade it no better than a (British) good VF. As you say, wear to rim, lions' noses etc. Sound about right?

Opinions? Go for it! Almost everything here (apart perhaps from things like mintage numbers and the weighs of coins) is an opinion. A forum is a place for an exchange of ideas and your opinions are as welcome as anyone else's as far as I'm concerned.

As for anti-American, I can't say I've noticed that. I have noticed from this forum that collecting in the US appears occasionally different from in the UK. There's quite a bit of focus on NCLT and precious metals I've not seen in the UK. Slabbing/TPGS of course. And with only post-1970 coins circulating, CRH can't be as satisfying in the UK as in the US! But diversity makes the hobby interesting! Well, a lot more interesting than if we all collected the same thing, eh? (Cheaper too!)

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 Posted 10/27/2013  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peter1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Met
Me and my buddies ganging up!! who? and on who?
I'm certainly not anti US and like to think I'm on good terms with many US coinies.
I gave my opinion on the AT 2/6d whilst everyone else was back slapping.On the "UK" forum a thread was started up about toned coins and some beautiful naturally toned coins have been poste d(not a rainbow in site).
I mean to say these rainbow coins have appeared in many of the illustrated historical auction catalogues...haven't they?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and this is as it should be.
It is just a case of being able to back up evidence.
Many people like enamelled coins or coin jewellery I don't personally care for these,treated coins fall into this
category.
Thankfully the aforementioned have yet to make their debut on UK major sales (unless I can be proved wrong)
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 Posted 10/27/2013  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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You still think that was an AT lol, oh well, each to their own I suppose


OK, I have to admit that got me curious and I just had to go look! After all, 'monster' toning is a matter of some discussion and interest on some UK coin forums.

So just out of interest I looked back at all milled silver coins offered by Spink in their Numismatic Circular between October 2003 and December 2006. Number of coins that look like the one mentioned above - none. I guess we must photograph our coins differently.

The closest I could find, as might be expected, were proofs from the Gothic series, but even those didn't have the striking colours of that half-crown.

And the only ones that were even remotely colourful (blue) were a collection of four proof long sets (from one collector) and a few pieces of Victorian silver that had been graded by NGC out of another (single) collection.

Conclusion? As I say, these coins aren't my area of interest. So I don't feel experienced enough to make a 'pronouncement'. But I think I mentioned somewhere else here that I do find it interesting that you find colourful coins where they are popular and there's a market for them, but not where they are not ...

*shrug*
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10/27/2013 3:46 pm
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 Posted 10/30/2013  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ad_litteram to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Haven't bought this one, but I'm interested, if it seems OK to you.

Thank you for your opinions.

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 Posted 10/30/2013  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peter1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice cinquefoil stops crown.
What price is it?
I will give it VF.
It may well of been given the acetone treatment to lose its 170 years of crud but I haven't a problem with this.
These are very sought after coins in EF+.
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 Posted 10/30/2013  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ElizabethTudor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice Crown that, looks to have a very good edge too, I'd say it's a lovely example of VF! Not easy find the mid-range, larger denomination, pieces without digs, knocks, bruises and, why not, one for luck, dings! Price will be the deciding factor, unless of course you are already smitten with it? Then it doesn't matter quite so much! :)
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 Posted 10/30/2013  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paulus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll go along with VF, and it has eye appeal too, which is a key factor for me! :)
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 Posted 10/31/2013  01:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ad_litteram to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Uhm, I don't get it. When the same thing was done to the crown I bought, you guys thought it was "junk silver". When it's done to an older crown it's ok ? :)

Here it is: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1844-QUEEN-...em54001caa54

Still 4 days left in the auction, and already out of my budget. :D
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 Posted 10/31/2013  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ElizabethTudor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To be honest with you, at least when looking at the images on my phone, I can't see that very much has actually been DONE at all? The most it may have had is a soak which, even if acetone was used, would do little more on a silver coin than remove grease and residues! I think removing potentially damaging residues would be accepted practice anywhere, museums included!
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 Posted 10/31/2013  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ElizabethTudor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Choice EF is of course very much over the top, but this is to be expected on the 'Bay! :-)
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