Undated 2 Euro Struck With 2 Reverse Dies NGC AU-58

Can I please state that normal euro coins are all in medal alignment and not in coin alignment like this specimen. It is usefull to know which type of edge is used for this piece, since the edge can distinguish from which country (or shortlist of countries) this piece is originating. Is it possible to let us know what the edge and the edge inscription are?

I think I can read "UND", as in "Einigkeit und recht und freiheit", which would make it German, but it's a bit difficult to see.

Most countries change up the edge inscription. So what is the exact arrangement of the stars and 2s? Is it possible to tell? No 2 euro coin has only stars on the edge (and some have no stars at all).

Only two types of edge are common to more than one country, taken off of Wikipedia:

Belgium, France, Ireland, Luxembourg, Monaco, Spain

Italy, San Marino, Vatican (but since the latter two are tiny nations, you'll know there is a 99% chance of it being Italian)

Edited again: I think I can also see in the pictures (einigkeit und rec)"HT UND"( freiheit), so it is still most likely to be German. I wouldn't put it past the big American TPGs to not be able to work this out - they have been a bit dopey in the past for world coins.

Hi all. Just wanted to keep you all up to date on this Monster 4 Euro double tail.These 2 Euro coins were minted from year 2002 and since no other similar example came to light,I have decided to submit this 4 Euro to Krause for Publication.

Forgery? I had this coin graded 3 years ago and no other specimen turned up to be graded by any TPG, why is that? How many NGC Graders do you believe it took to inspect this coin before finding it genuine and slabbing into their own NGC slab? Do you have any ideas on the amounts of 2 Euro or 1 EUro that were sent to NGC or other well respected TPG for grading? take a guess. Also , do you understand the risk that NGC has taken by grading this coin as genuine? and don't you think that 1 single grader would had not ask other grader's opinion before slabbing it in an NGC slab?(please read the NGC Guarantee) page .This is exactly what is written in the NGC Guarantee page.
So if this was not genuine than the following would apply....
"NGC may retain the not genuine or overgraded Coin and provide to the submitter in its place an equivalent Coin that is genuine and has the same grade as NGC originally assigned to the Coin."
You are basically stating that NGC would had been foolish enough to grade this coin as genuine. Well to that sir , I must
This is in my opinion by the way about why if in fact there was 2 different year dies used on this one then all I could think of is that someone used this one as a specimen to test to see the difference on both years dies and instead of destroying it , I believe they just forgot about it. These things happens and they are called human errors, it's not always about machinery issues that involves mint errors. Humans inspector do not always let the Mint errors slip away but this is why we have a hobby in Mint errors , because they do let them slip away. I mean, we are humans after all.

You say that like it's never happened. Plenty of counterfeits have ended up in NGC and PCGS slabs.


Most counterfeits ended in Non Genuine TPG's slabs on the other hand I doubt that NGC would want to play with this 4Euro, it's not petty change, were talking about the fact that no TPG's EVER graded one to be genuine since the circulation of Euro's ( 2002 ) or 14 years ago , I really doubt that they would just slab one just for cause. Understanding the fact that this coin is top of the line and the biggest denomination in it's kind and probably will be spoken of worldwide. I doubt that NGC would had taken a risk slabbing it , understanding the attachment involved with it. Just my 2 cents worth.

This is another piece of sculpture that was left to me from my grand father. I guess he was lucky. He even said to me once " the Pennache ". with those 777, will bring me luck one day" He meant by the 1977 in the observe and the one 7 on the reverse. sure enough he found this 4 Euro. No one believed him that it was genuine so I had it published to prove everyone otherwise. My Grandfather wanted to keep everything to himself and could careless of what people thought. I thought that I would clear things out for all of those pessimists.

http://www.coinbooks.org/esylum_v16n41a13.html

Proves absolutely nothing.
That is not having it published.
That is no different than having someone else post it for you on this forum.