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Pillar of the Community
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Nice! 
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Ridiculous. 
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Pillar of the Community
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Very nice indeed. As you have learned, it'S ALL about lighting...
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Yes, lighting is everything. I did a second round of shooting the obverse of the 1887, and I think it did improve some. I think my challenge now will be to figure out which amount of diffusion is JUST right. Any thoughts on this? 
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Here is the reverse again after some light adjustment. It's a tad better. I think the surface looks more uniform due to a more even distribution of light. The light is a little heavy at the top. Still practicing.  
Edited by Darth Morgan 03/09/2014 11:53 pm
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Even though you are not using the lightbox as a source, the reflections off the sides are still illuminating the coin. This is not a bad thing, but it does cause a "confused" lighting arrangement that is not very predictable. I would suggest trying some shots without the box but with the Jansjos in the same positions as you have them with the box and see what the effect is. I expect a lot more contrast, and less multidirectional light. It may be that you won't like it, but at least you'll know what you're dealing with. If it turns out the reflections off the box are beneficial, then I'd suggest figuring out WHICH reflections are most beneficial, and which are a problem. I expect that you'll find the ones coming in from too low are a problem. If this is the case, then you might want to block the lower parts of the lightbox with black paper or other black material. Also, it's always better to have a black (non-reflective) background behind the coin to minimize umwanted light entering the lens. Your lens may be very resistant to flare and such, but no lens is perfect and any help with improved contrast can be helpful...Ray
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Hello, I concur with Ray's suggestion insofar as a dark background emitting less unwanted 'lumens' back into the camera lens. In an attempt to reduce costs I personally simply use black construction paper ($ 0.05/sheet) behind these shiny-surfaced coins which allows me to cheaply switch and cut to re-size to whichever color/size suits a particular setup... Regarding the alteration/elimination of the light-box one may wish to consider an idea I proposed and implemented in a CCF USB camera application. The following URL directs the user to a section within a CCF thread discussing the implementation of white diffuser concave plastic bucket ($ 2 at Wal-mart) positioned about two ft. above a reflective Norse medal. The applicable verbiage using the Norse medal as the substrate appears about one-third of the way down the web page located at: https://goccf.com/t/88598&whichpage=7 CFL bulbs covered with white copy paper then shine angled upward onto this rounded concave surface providing light bouncing down only from 0 to 40 degrees on each side using the tip of the concave bucket directly above the coin as the 0 degree center point. From 40 to 180 degrees on both sides above the coin no light originates from the bucket's white plastic surface since I am only cutting out approximately 80 degrees of the entire 360 degree bucket's available surface for reflecting light from the two CFL bulbs. In summary cutting down on the multi-directional lighting previously alluded to by Ray does assist to provide more contrast and total elimination of this white bucket's 80 degree surface did confirm these findings in my case. The 80 degree cut-out of the white bucket is just a compromise between the total 360 degree light-box and the 0 degree option (reflective surfaces totally eliminated) etc. IMO, Mark
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Thanks Darth for the copper pics, just incredible pics for a phone.
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Wow, talk about finding the sweet spot! 
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Thanks for the new suggestions, Ray and Mark. I will try using the black background with this new lighting setup. I think that covering up the sides of the light box with black construction paper may do the trick. I'm going to continue using this 1887 Morgan as a standard for comparing the different results. Once I figure out which setup works best I will then use it for the rest of my coins. Looking forward to trying this. Pics to come. . . .
I appreciate everyone's feedback on my photos. I've learned a ton here on CCF.
@52Raymo- I was very surprised at how well the Lincoln turned out. I didn't know what to expect from copper. I can say that it appears to be much easier to photograph than silver.
Edited by Darth Morgan 03/10/2014 11:43 am
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Quote: I can say that it appears to be much easier to photograph than silver. You got that right. Frankly, there's nothing better for "learning the hard way" that a lustrous Silver Dollar - anything else is easy.
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I realized that I had not tried using my 18% gray card with these new Jansjo lamps, so I gave it a shot. I still utilized the light box as an enclosure. I tried shooting without it, but I did not like the results. I do believe the light bouncing off the sides does make a difference, although I still plan on trying to cover the left and right side with black paper to see how that does. Anyway, here is the result, which isn't all that different from an earlier attempt using a 1902 Morgan (see page 2):  It doesn't look nearly as soft as the image taken with a white background, but the more I compare the two images the more I like the higher contrast seen with the gray background. And it doesn't look so different that it appears unnatural. I don't know. I think a combination of the two would produce a very nice image. What do you guys think? I also tried using a piece of black plexiglass just for kicks to see how it would turn out. It looks like some ghosts are creeping up on Lady Liberty: 
Edited by Darth Morgan 03/11/2014 2:34 pm
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Contrast vs. luster is a real problem, and it seems a little diffusion is the best compromise. I very much like the latest; the side reflections are providing that essential little bit of diffusion without compromising the interpretation of luster.
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Quote: I very much like the latest; the side reflections are providing that essential little bit of diffusion without compromising the interpretation of luster.  Great work Darth! Side Note: This is my 4,000th post! 
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