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 Posted 12/06/2013  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
great job
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 Posted 12/06/2013  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow razzy, you really got the ball rolling and stuck with it! With any luck, this guy will be out of business very soon - and one more out of business makes our hobby that much better. Excellent job
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 Posted 12/08/2013  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hope this guys goes to jail for a long time and you get all your money back!!
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 Posted 12/08/2013  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add solotime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wait, where the Morgans fake or did he change them around?
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 Posted 12/09/2013  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add razzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@solotime
all the morgans were fake that he had
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Have you considered a small claims lawsuit against this guy? Not sure if it would be economically viable if you have to hire legal counsel but it might bring you some satisfaction.
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Good fortune razzy, well done.

Apparently they care far more, if they are U.S. Coins that are fakes. When I took my counterfeit Pandas down to the local Federal building, the F.B.I. and the Secret Service, could not have cared less. Well, the only people that did care less, were my local police and the police from the locale where the auction house I bought them from was located.
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 Posted 12/09/2013  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add razzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@joe I think that I will stand a great chance in recovering my money without a small claims lawsuit b/c he's going to be charged with a bunch of crimes as it is. the detective told me that restitution is very likely

@denco thanks! yeah I believe the fact they're US coins does help but also this guy was scamming a lot more people than just me
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Whether or not you ever get the restitution is another matter. Crooks are often ordered to pay restitution, but victims seldom see it.
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Crooks are often ordered to pay restitution, but victims seldom see it.


I worked for the courts for many years, and I personally collected restitution for hundreds of victims. In one case, I asked a judge to attach an offender's inheritance, and he did. Then too, many states have victim compensation funds which may be applied under given sets of circumstances.

With regard to this case, we should know the name of the accused. I surmise that he may own real estate, and that is perhaps why an officer was optimistic about restitution. It seems to me that Razzy's loss is far within the means of most offenders to pay. The offender's motivation to settle this would be a reduced sentence and/or consideration for parole. Personally, I'm optimistic about restitution.
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 Posted 12/10/2013  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add razzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@conder - thats not what I've been told
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Sure, there are restitution cases that are never resolved, and those are the ones that typically come to public attention. It's been my experience that the ones that are settled are rarely publicized. If the defendant fails to pay and serves the maximum sentence, the criminal court judge can order a civil judgment. Then too, there's the possibility in some states of tapping a victims' compensation fund. Again, I'd be optimistic in this matter ... Settlement could take some time though.
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 Posted 12/10/2013  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LowLife to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
razzy - you have done a great service to the Coin Community....I commend you my friend! Good luck in getting your money back!
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If law enforcement considers restitution likely, the implication is not only that they've got an ironclad case, but they've identified sufficient assets on the defendant's part to meet the restitution need for the known crimes. We can assume that there are a whole bunch of victims who don't even know they've been taken, much less knowing victims who just walked away from their loss and are unaware the guy has been busted. It's not hard to imagine the guy has a pretty decent bank balance.

If he managed to attract the attention of the law, he had to have moved some serious value. In this day of budgetary constriction, the law can't even afford to move unless large numbers of $thousands are involved.
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thanks lowlife!
exolife - sounds like you know your stuff! :)
and dave - you are absolutely correct
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