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Bedrock of the Community
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Lower Canada Half Penny 1814: Richard Hurd  Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Bedrock of the Community
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Nice addition, Hondo Boguss.  Errers and Varietys.
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I think that is called a private token when it bears the issuers name.
The reverse looks like a love token with that style of lettering.
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Pillar of the Community
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Very nice, Hondo, and not a token you'll see every day.
Pennies and farthings were also issued for Hurd, all pretty scarce in higher grades.
"If everything seems to be under control, you're just not going fast enough."
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Lower Canada Half Penny 1814: Richard Hurd Excellent! |
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Pillar of the Community
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check that RHurd for medal orientation, it's substantially more valuable than the "coin alignment" version
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Tiffin 14. Strange one, both sides. Looks like it might have rusted from the inside-out. The metal above "HALF" looks like it was bent over away from the letters. Bad mix of metals ?   |
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Interesting example! |
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Nice tokens, especially the tokens from daltonista I recently acquired an wellington token I bought it thinking it was WE-11A5. But after studying it I now think it is WE-11A1. But I really have a hard time determining the different token in the WE-11A series. I would like your opinion on it.   Edited by Gebs
07/24/2025 10:20 am
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I'm with you, Gebs. I can't claim to be an expert, but I've assigned the 11A2 label to the three I have that -- like yours -- lack the dot after the final &c on the reverse. That's a distinction provided in the Withers catalog for those of us who collect these as British tokens.
Gotta admit to flying blind a bit without the Marevic bible, even though I have a few dozen Canadian Wellies across all types that I've managed to accumulate over the years (with WE-2C as the sole exception).
If anyone else pitches in here, please explain which "locks" need to be analyzed on these! I see locks at the forehead, just below the ear lobes, and around the collar.
Just for comparison, here's my silver 11A2 with an attribution I trust, as it came out of one of the big Doug Robins sales a few years ago, NGC-slabbed at PF50.
I'll probably add a couple of these WE-11A's of my own to this conversation over the next few days...today's eyeball session has turned up two possible misattributions, both by CCS.
"If everything seems to be under control, you're just not going fast enough."
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07/24/2025 12:50 pm
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Just for comparison, here's my silver 11A2 with an attribution I trust, as it came out of one of the big Doug Robins sales a few years ago, NGC-slabbed at PF50. Very nice! |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Nice acquisitions. Errers and Varietys.
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I also was struggling with which locks they mean. But the saskatoon coinclub site specify the locks to be the locks between the back of the ear and the collar.
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Thank you, Gebs! I'll dig a little bit further on their website.
Meanwhile, that information may not apply to all the WE-11's...my Charlton (11th ed.) doesn't provide anything like a straightforward use of the term "locks."
To elaborate a bit, just on the two pages that cover WE-11A and WE-11B, we find locks mentioned as follows:
11A1 - "At the hairline* three locks..."
11A2 - "One small lock above two large locks."
11A3 - "The lower lock much below the ribbon knot." *
11A4 - "Three short and equal length locks."
11A5 - No mention of locks.
11A6 - No mention of locks.
11A7 - No mention of locks.
11A8 - No mention of locks.
11A9 - No mention of locks.
11B1 - No mention of locks.
11B2 - "One small lock above two large locks."
11B3 - "Three locks of equal length."
11B4 - "Three locks..."
11B5 - "Locks are small."
11B6 - "Three locks..."
11B7 - "Three locks..."
11B8 - No mention of locks.
11B9 - No mention of locks.
* Is "at the hairline" near the ribbon knot, or is it above the eyebrows? 
Only the first three descriptions in Charlton specify the locks' location. After those, it looks like I've got my work cut out for me, starting with a CCCS-graded WE-11A2, which (I now notice) does not appear to be a perfect match with the silver NGC-slabbed 11A2 I posted above. I'll try to apply the Saskatoon Protocols.
"If everything seems to be under control, you're just not going fast enough."
--- Mario Andretti
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