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I've got to be honest here....
I'm shocked at most everyone for the lack of recognition of this problem coin.
I guess my job now is to convince everyone that this coin has been whizzed (I'm especially surprised by Glenn's response).
Maybe I'm wrong and my plus 40 years of coin experience needs a major overhaul, but for the time being, I don't think so.
Fact no. 1....right from the PCGS's website on their definition of a 'damaged' coin....
======" Whizzing is the use of a high-speed, rotating wheel to buff the surfaces of a coin, which actually moves the metal on the surface and leaves ridges on many of the devices."=======
Next, I'll try to find other examples with documented pictures showing the exact same effect that the 1891 quarter exhibits.
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Maybe the coin suffered from serious overdiping,killing all trace of luster,and killing any chance of an MS grade.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Doesn't anyone recognize the "ridges on many of the devices" (PCGS quote)?
Look at the south side of all the letters in 'Victoria'.
Look at the ridges of the nose, lips, bottom of the chin and bust line.
Look at the north edges of all the leaves on the reverse.
Look at the tops of '25 Cents 1891'.
Are we noticing anything that perhaps shouldn't be present on a 'normal' coin?
Again for reference, check the other two ICCS au55 coins posted in this same thread.
You should see a difference.
Edited by doubleeagle59
12/17/2013 6:56 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Here's a PCGS ms64 1891 25c for comparison. Again, look at the edges of all relief area and you will see no ridges. Compare this with the first one and you should hopefully have some kind of revelation. ***Notice how there is slight doubling of 'NT' in 'Cents', whereas the first one has ridges of the 'NT' and should be concluded by all as being caused by a completely different process. One natural or during the striking of the coin and one post-mint (whizzing).   Edited by doubleeagle59
12/17/2013 7:17 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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This thread induced me to search Google Images 'whizzed coin', for my self education on this subject.
Worth spending 10 minutes or so.
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I don't think that these are the types of 'ridges' that PCGS is referring to. The simple existence of a ridge of any sort does not prove whizzing. The fields do not show any evidence of whizzing that I can see. In fact, if the amount of material on the ridges were pushed off the fields, there is no way those fields would be as absolutely flat as they are. There would have to be obvious gouges and waves in the fields around the devices. Furthermore, if a coin doctor were skilled enough to whiz those fields to be as perfect as they appear, it would be inconsistent with their work for him/her to leave such obvious rough ridges.
As I noted earlier, these ridges appear to be from a sideways shift in the coin as the dies just started to separate from the coin. This will push the devices on the coin against the design in the die. This then will push up on the metal on one side of all the devices with sharp edges and create the rough 'ridges' that we can see. The ridges are on both sides of the coin and both sides indicate the same motion. This could be a result of something being a little loose or improperly adjusted on the coining machine. All coins will not necessarily show the effect.
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doubleeagle59,know person here doubts what you are saying however based on the pics, many see no signs of whizzing. You have a beautiful coin in your possession.
Might I suggest breaking it out and resubmitting it to ICCS.
Edited by darryldarryl
12/17/2013 8:56 pm
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doubleeagle59,know person here doubts what you are saying however based on the pics, many see no signs of whizzing. You have a beautiful coin in your possession.
Might I suggest breaking it out and resubmitting it to ICCS.
It's not my coin and based on the pictures the whizzing (raised edges) is extremely apparent. It can't be more evident. |
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doubleeagle: I have no doubt that you know as much about coins than anybody on that website you refer to for information. Perhaps you refer to them to much for information. I too searched to see what information was out there on "whizzing a coin" and found this link which was not only informative but entertaining. http://www.mendosus.com/whizzing/whiz.html |
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Assuming you are correct, there are no shortages of cleaned, whizzed, scratched, corroded and even polished coins unattributed in ICCS holders. I know lot a collectors who have sent 'problem-free' ICCS coins to PCGS, only to have portions of their collection come back in body bags or graded as 'genuine'.
That said, the majority of ICCS are fine, but when only one person grades the coins - mistakes and errors are bound to happen. I rarely buy coins in auctions or sight unseen in auctions anymore, because the coins inside the flips can mean any kind of unpleasant surprise.
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