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The Conder Token Thread

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 Posted 01/27/2014  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brg5658 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@BenByfield: Different angle howso? Those images are straight on. I don't like to image coins/medals/tokens with axial or tilted methods, as it rarely looks like that at 95% of the viewed angles. The penny has lots of blues and roses which I think show up pretty well.
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 Posted 01/27/2014  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HarryWells to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That one is right on book. I found the one you are talking about on-line, but I shall not say where. I think that would be a nice example of the coin. I would not hesitate.
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 Posted 01/28/2014  1:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brg5658 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is one of my favorite tokens. It was struck in a quantity of possibly 300-400 pieces in early 1795 by Boulton at the SOHO Shop. It is listed in Dalton & Hamer as Middlesex-342/Ibberson's.

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 Posted 01/28/2014  2:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In describing the 1795 Stinton halfpenny, R.C.Bell noted that "The grasshopper was one of the signs used by grocers."
Not very appetizing I agree but perhaps instantly associated with produce.

A former piece.

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 Posted 01/31/2014  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paul heale to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi two tokens that I have,

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 Posted 02/03/2014  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brg5658 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm quite fond of this design -- it's not "hammered", but it's a pretty good strike for the issue. Usually you can't even separate the lamb from the lion on the reverse.

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 Posted 02/08/2014  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EFLargeCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great thread. I love the designs on these. Here are the only two I currently own. I don't know too much about them, just liked the designs.


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 Posted 02/08/2014  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add marz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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What a great thread! Heres one of my favourites...DH253 G.Bayly's museum.
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 Posted 02/09/2014  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HarryWells to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great stuff. I have been down sick for a while, but now I'm back. Here are three more from my collection.

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 Posted 02/16/2014  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was going to buy a worn and corroded version of this token for (if I remember correctly) £7. I'm glad I didnt, as I've just picked this up for £6.09.

IPSWICH CROSS (image of the Ipswich Market Cross) / 1794
PAYABLE / AT / CONDERS / DRAPERY / WAREHOUSE / IPSWICH
Edge: Milled

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James Conder issued this token. The whole series is named after the guy - he was the first to catalogue them (not by any means the first collector, though). Looks mucky, so ill clean it up when I get it (white spirit or Acetone).
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 Posted 02/18/2014  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brg5658 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a clarification, James Conder was not the first person to catalog the British trade tokens of the late 18th century. Charles Pye issued his first index in 1795, with a later (more well known) edition in 1801. Samuel Birchall issued his listing/index in 1796. Conder's listing didn't come around until 1798, but it had an advantage over the two other works in that it included many drawings of token designs. It was also the basis of the Dalton & Hamer work in the 1910s. Of note, the term "Conder token" is almost exclusively used by USA collectors. Most UK collectors refer to them as 18th Century "tradesmen tokens" or "provincial tokens".

This information is all summarized in the Wikipedia article on Conder Tokens, which I wrote 95%+ of last summer.
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 Posted 02/18/2014  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the clarification. I have no idea what to call them but it is true that people in the UK dont call them conders - they're listed as all manner of things from half-penny token to evasion coinage.
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 Posted 02/18/2014  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add marz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice to see some more tokens.

Ben, nice find (I think you got a real bargain).
BRG, Harry, Yarm, kudos for both your tokens & photos!
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 Posted 02/19/2014  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've only got the landscape detail of a Conder token to post.

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 Posted 02/24/2014  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's quite a bit going on with this Sussex halfpenny beyond the whimsical view of the storming of the Bastille. In addition to a die crack and scratch,
there's multiple die clashing as well as mismatched die sizes. The area around the edge on the reverse suggests the use of a very rough (filed?) planchet.

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