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1 Oz. Fine Silver Coin - The Bison: A Portrait

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 Posted 02/27/2014  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One of the nice things about last year's Bald Eagle coin series was that all four coins were designed by the same artist. There was a design consistency across the coins.

So far, two bison coins and two artists. I think the bison on the first coin looks far more natural than either of the two on the second coin.

I'm glad I didn't have an interest in this series. I would have been disappointed in the second coin and instantly concerned about the design quality of the remaining coins.


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 Posted 02/27/2014  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NuMoosematist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You guys might be right about the design of the second Bison coin. However, the mint's prtrayal probably does not do it justice.

According to the description:

Your coin was designed by Canadian artist Trevor Tennant and features a female and male plains bison standing side-by-side in the grassy landscape on a summer day. The differences between the two genders are striking when comparing the two side-by-side, with the bull (on the right) towering slightly over the cow (on the left). The bull appears all the more imposing, thanks to the thicker, taller mane on its head.

This may explain why the two Buffalo look so different.

Vive la difference!
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02/27/2014 7:22 pm
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 Posted 11/24/2014  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is another one I been wanting,, specifically the "Family at Rest" Bison coin...


slabs, PF 69, recent auctions have these shy of 60 USD.. almost a 35% discount roughly to mint issue price....

my my my.... I am aghast how prices are really cratering...
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 Posted 11/24/2014  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Here is another one I been wanting,, specifically the "Family at Rest" Bison coin..


very nice in hand, worth to buy.

You right about the prices.
When I list to sell unwanted stuff, immediately put fixed price as $75 with the "Best Offer", while the issue was $99.95
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 Posted 11/24/2014  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@silveroid

Yes its a very nice coin...I think its the best of the series....


Thats a good strategy you have.... people are looking for deals and it allows you to move coins you dont need or want anymore.
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 Posted 11/24/2014  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, like I said: I bought not many, but not a few coins, that actually unnecessary in my collection.
If I was smarter - I would filtered from the beginning and not buying everything what I like.

But, I knew that I take a loss, and doesn't meter if I keep the coins or resell. So I know, that dealer might take them for 40%-50% issue, but for the public the 70% will be good.
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 Posted 02/20/2015  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FYI, all 4 bison coins are on sale at Silvertowne for $55 USD each.

Unfortunately, the weak CAD makes that about $70-75 depending on your method of payment.

http://www.silvertowne.com/p-23660-...-in-ogp.aspx




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 Posted 02/20/2015  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NuMoosematist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"How the mighty have fallen..."

Both the Bison coins and our Canadian dollar...
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 Posted 02/20/2015  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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"How the mighty have fallen..."

Both the Bison coins and our Canadian dollar



You said it Moose and its not just the Bison coin sadly.
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 Posted 02/20/2015  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add justsilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NuMoosematist,

Silvertowne is currently offer discount on this coin.
http://www.silvertowne.com/p-23660-...-in-ogp.aspx

USD$55 ( credit card price ) = CAD$68, free USPS then Canada Post shipping to Canada.

I purchased from Silvertowne several times, good vendor. ( I used Canadian Visa, no CA paypal allowed)
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 Posted 12/27/2015  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So the other day I was looking and tracking some coins and stumbled on some of this Bison coins again.. now I thought I had see the absolute PRICES when Silvertowne was slashing prices by almost 60%.. boy was I wrong...

I saw MCM had a complete set, right now on ebay that came out to 32 a coin, another auction for the 4 coin set from an individual came out to 28 a coin! (all prices USD)..


I thought at like 40 it was a good deal.... but wow... these prices put them at a little more double over spot...


check out these auctions

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...ada&_sacat=0

I mean really, this is going to kill and IS killing collectors, myself included. People are going to get discouraged to keep buying, only to watch coins fall hard from their high prices.

Government and world mints, are you LISTENING to us?

Again, prices of coins need to come closer to spot prices, lower the prices drastically, make LESS coins AND lower the mintage of all coins across the board.

It is clear mintage's in the tens of thousands and thousands are much too high.


This is why I have been making a watch list and buying coins that are up to 2 - 3 years old before I buy.
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 Posted 01/03/2016  02:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ Yup I agree with you 100%!! I have cutback to about 8 purchases in 2015. There will be very select purchases this year. The only coins I will buy mint direct are our xforx coins and it will depend on design.

I'm through bleeding money for the mints benefit. they got spoiled back in 2012. No other sector will people tolerate being overcharged for a non essential item. I'm hoping this will correct itself in the next couple years. I just saved $20 on a coin released in oct. This is a very fast discount.

I have the 2 first bison coins, and glad I didn't buy the others yet. I will add them in the future. I have over spent on the great lakes set. Absolutely stunning coins, original design, enamel, and still they fail to maintain issue price. It doesn't add up. Its got to be too many releases. After watching what happened with bison set, I have stayed away from other 4 coin animal sets. There are many coins id like, but cannot afford. The inability to keep up with releases is becoming a turn off.

I had hoped if an emergency ever happened, my coins would have retained at least 80% of issue price. Its amazing the impact low silver spot is having on the market. Now if the mints will wake up and adjust their prices accordingly. I would happily collect more coins, if prices were more realistic.

I think its the selling model. Mints need to either sell direct, or to dealers only. As with the sales, dealers can undercut the mint. Frankly knowing dealers get discounts, and loyal customers don't, gives little incentive to buy mint direct. The only time its beneficial to buy mint direct, is when prices are expected to increase.
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 Posted 01/03/2016  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@pocketchange50

Yes, I am in the same boat. doesn't what mint, US Mint, Perth, Austrian, or private mints... if dealers dont offer a coin I want for auction and several years hasnt passed, I do not buy it.

I have really trimmed things down... I mean my purchases dropped hard. Even my somalian elephant coins, I am buying a few and thats it.


I share the same thought, if the mints drop their prices and get more realistic about prices, then I would start buying again. But until they drastically cut prices, I am staying away. I mean that is nuts you buy something and then 6 months later or a year later it has been whacked by 40%.

I think behind closed doors the mints have to see the hand writing on the wall as dealers order less and less product.
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Its a bad cycle, buy a coin for a hundred, then its value drops quickly to$50. Then if you need to sell, a dealer offers $25,because they can only sell it for $50. This is a sure way to kill the nclt hobby! I like the changing artwork, but I cannot afford to keep flushing away money on overpriced coins. This model is not sustainable. Soon the majority of buyers will come to this conclusion. Currently when looking at CCF press of top selling RCM coins, its all x for x coins, no others hit top spot. This is very telling.
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