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Anyone Have A ICCS Flip With A Wings Sticker?

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 Posted 09/15/2014  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MightyMikeMIami to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pacificoin (Jack) you are most welcome. We want to be as transparent as any private company can be.

I also received an email from one of the members asking if we have a place on our website with pictures of stickered coins. The answer is no other than those that appear near the bottom of our homepage .... for now (www.wingscoins.com). It is a great suggestion and the pictures that I sent to Jack I also just sent them to our I.T. guy and asked him to create a special page. I suspect that this will be done before the week is over. When I get the word that it is ready I will post the link here. His question also made me think that we should have other pages on our site dedicated just for pictures. We will be undertaking that shortly but I want to prioritize the ICCS coins.

One caveat. As I told Jack, I am not a photographer. I just happened to have been in the review room when the ICCS coins were being reviewed and I snapped the pictures with my i-phone/or pad. If you can deal with my amateurism I think that you can get a pretty good view.

I also wanted to point out that in the August 12 issue of the Canadian Coin News Bret Evans wrote an article about WINGS. If you want you can read it here: http://wingscoins.com/precise-gradi...n-coin-news/

Thanks again for the great questions and interest.
Larry

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 Posted 09/17/2014  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSabatke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am tending towards the "money grab" side of the fence. There isn't a whole lot of difference between grades, so the existing system should suffice. The way I understand the WINGS service is that they make a distinction if your coin is at the upper end of the coin's grade. If there really is a need for this, I would think that the market would have long ago created a grading system with finer granularity, for instance MS60-MS90, with extremely small differences, bordering on the imperceptible.

As a computer science guy with a lot of background in artificial intelligence, and understanding quite a bit about how computers make subjective and objective comparisons and analysis that were previously impossible, I have been thinking that a computerized grading service that would work much like facial recognition could provide consistent grading with extremely tight tolerances. Visual processing has progressed to the point where computers are far more accurate and much more speedy than human eye processing, and computers never have personal preferences, bad days, hangovers, etc.
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 Posted 09/17/2014  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSabatke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just did a search on this site for "computer grading" and found the companies that may be doing it, along with a lot of discussion, mostly negative. I certainly understand the concerns, but I also believe that technology and programming may be advancing to the point where expert systems might soon be able to do better than human eyes for many types of grading. There would, for the foreseeable future be a need for human guidance for special cases, errors, ancient coins, environmental damages, etc., but even those could almost certainly be done by machine more accurately.
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 Posted 09/24/2014  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MightyMikeMIami to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi all,

Let me first apologize for not being able to post this earlier. I have finally been able to get our I.T. guy to complete the project of getting pictures of ICCS coins online.

Before providing you with the link I also wanted to stress that WINGS does not take pictures of coins submitted. These pictures were taken by me with my i-phone as I happened to be in the review room when they reviewed. I also would like to say that pictures of ICCS coins do not turn out as well as coins provided by other grading services who encases their coins in hard plastic. (Are those enough caveats?:))

Here is the link to see pictures of ICCS coins that received the wings stickers: http://wingscoins.com/photos-ICCS-c...gold-sticker

After looking at the pictures I welcome you to view our site and take a few moments to check us out. I am always available to answer your questions, consider your suggestions, agree or refute your critiques. In fact I welcome sincere critiques as that will help WINGS become a better company. We seek to be responsive if possible.

A special shout out must go to Pacificoin for his great insight and the comments that he made to me directly. He was freely giving of his time and expertise some of which we are going to adopt. Thank you.

Thanks again. Take care.

Larry Michelson
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 Posted 09/24/2014  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, I'm seeing a number of the old ICCS flips getting the sticker, which would make sense.
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