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 Posted 02/10/2014  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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it's not possible to realistically assess the coin in an auction image


Going by that, I should NEVER buy a coin from the internet. Slabbed or not. I can not reasonably determine if PCGS got it right or not if I follow that line of thinking. They say MS64, and it is not possible for the seller to provide sufficiently accurate photos to determine 64 or 63, how can I ever buy a coin on line?

I have to buy the slab and hope for the best.
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 Posted 02/10/2014  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Now, given the sheer number of posts about people cracking coins out of slabs and not revealing it, where does that leave me? And yes, I realize that most of the times those are problem coins, but I have seen the post here and there where it was simply a case like this. And everyone nails the person to the cross regardless.


Im actually with you on this but like before it will depend on the situation. Simply cracking a coin isn't a tar and feathering offense, to be honest if anything PCGS is over conservative on what gets hit with details grades and there are a decent number of those that could easily go either way.

With that said though its all going to be how its sold from that point. If the coin just pictured without really saying anything letting it stand on its own or is it someone taking AU cleaned or MS cleaned and trying to pass them off as beautiful lustrous coins. Or is it a market graded vf details thats really an xf by technical standpoint that the seller is making no claims of being problem free.

The key is whether or not their is a deceptive effort to significantly pump up the value to an unsuspecting buyer.
We all know a raw 500+ or 1k+ coin at a big seller is basically the unofficial way of saying this would be a details coin, but some represent them much more honestly than others. Then of course their the worst of the worst who buy details coins specifically to crack and misrepresent who deserve every last word said about them.

I would also go back to my other point of how often is this happening with a seller. If its something that happens from time to time, its not unreasonable that it could happen if everything else from the seller is on the up and up. Again though, if this is a consistent problem theyre having its not the TPGs making the mistakes.
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Going by that, I should NEVER buy a coin from the internet. Slabbed or not. I can not reasonably determine if PCGS got it right or not if I follow that line of thinking. They say MS64, and it is not possible for the seller to provide sufficiently accurate photos to determine 64 or 63, how can I ever buy a coin on line?

I have to buy the slab and hope for the best.


Truer words never spoken.

Your decisions have to factor your skill at interpreting images, which is as easy to learn as grading (IOW, once you've seen one beeelion of them, you start getting it). In a venue like ebay, the very best among us sometimes get fooled. Heaven knows I have. Just like PCGS.
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Dave, I was being sarcastic. LOL I DO see your point, but I think that good pics are enough to give me enough of an idea to make a reasonable decision. In the particular case at hand, I think those pics were more than sufficient to make an educated decision.
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 Posted 02/10/2014  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I get that, but your sarcasm has a solid base in truth, and for the newer numismatists reading it deserved recognition and expansion.
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