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I haven't posted anything interesting in a while. Here is a really cool 1771 half penny. Can you spot what makes this coin so unique?   |
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That's pretty cool. These were only made from 1729-1754 (I had look inn my references:). I think it looks more like the older bust than the younger bust of the king.
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It's an evasion half penny.
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Obviously, someone doesn't know or care about the actual reign of George II!
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Too late to this one....nice bungtown copper!
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Amida, you think this is a Machin's Mills/Bungtown copper?
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I do not believe it is a Machins. Likely Birmingham, but potentially colonial made. Perhaps I used the term "bungtown" too loosely?
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So this isn't a standard issue? it's a private issue?
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Lord, no, not a Royal issue! The only question is whether it was made by counterfeiters in Britain or America. The Royal Mint stopped making halfpennies in 1775, and it soon came to pass that the majority of them in circulation were fakes, and so came to serve a purpose beyond that of profiting their makers. I had read that "Bungtown" was an American term for these halfpennies; was it used on the other side of the pond as well? |
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Contemporary counterfeit. I don't think it has been proven yet as to the exact origin of these. I have read a few articles but nothing that is set in stone.
Contemporary counterfeits circulated in the colonies and across seas. In the colonies, regal issues were very scarce. Some were made here in the colonies but I believe most came from overseas.
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I had read that "Bungtown" was an American term for these halfpennies; was it used on the other side of the pond as well? and here is the rub.... I do not think anyone knows for certain. Even the origins of the word "Bungtown" is debated. Typically I have seen the term "evasion" used for coins minted in England, Birmingham more precisely. "Bungtown" usually for coins of American origin. Based solely on the seeming quality and strike of the OP's coin, if pressed, I would attribute as an "evasion". Typically the American versions were struck with less care and often over donor planchets from other halfpenny series. |
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Its a Tory Copper - sorry - that is now a bit of an outdated term Mr. Eric P. Newman ... Bungtown ... closer Mr. James Spilman (RIP) ... Simian? ... much closer Byron Weston & Clem Schettino <VVBG> ... Evasion Copper (Morris Haskins) ... Correct - a - Mundo. As long as the legends were not regal the button makers in Birmingham, England could not be prosecuted ... Haskins book is coming out soon ... on this series first developed by Atkins in his second edition 1892 work as an appendix listing. An update over a century later is overdue ...
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I think the part that is confusing to me... Are all contemporary counterfeit halfpennies considered evasion coppers?
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I consider "evasions" the ones that have the altered legends. It might be argued that it wasn't really done to "evade" the counterfeiting law, but they are fun.
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I think the part that is confusing to me... Are all contemporary counterfeit halfpennies considered evasion coppers?
Evasion Coppers - altered legends appearing as 1/2d's. No evading the law- since they did not mimic the regal legends. There has not been one confirmed death or imprisonment on record for an evasion counterfeiter - this evading the law was an early idiom.
Machins Mills - diagnostic pursed lips - on die chart by Vlack, solid crossbars in shields, etc. linked to 1787/1788 State Copper issues of Vermonts/Connecticut dies.
Contemporary Counterfeit GIII 1/2d - over 1,000 familes from well made to crude.
Canadian Blacksmiths - not struck in a collar as the (3) above. Low weight. Legend-less mostly. No details within portraits.
Jersey Ben - Good luck with the Kleebergs CC2Rs <VVBG>.
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