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Pillar of the Community
Sweden
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Edited by epikur
02/09/2014 4:41 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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In the first lot, the PCGS label was clearly partially erased with an image editor. The blue background was accidentally cloned over the edge of the plastic label boundary at lower right. This is almost certainly done to remove the negative "Genuine" classification. I'm amazed this guy has a 100% feedback rating with these obvious attempts to deceive.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1949 Posts |
That first auction is certainly a different approach... Very curious to see how that one ends up turning out...
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Pillar of the Community
 Sweden
729 Posts |
Well, they state it's not a detailed coin. And they do have a money back guarantee.
oh, kept on reading and the money back only applies to if the wrong coin is delivered
on the 2nd lisintg, I got totally confused with what the say...
"We decided 'Strongly' not to send This or ANY other Coin(s) in for Grading to PCGS or ANACS - We will state 'Our Opinion' of the Grade per 'Our Graders Grade' along with any Documentation we can Provide as 'Verified Authentic' by More than just 1 (one) Grading Service if possible. "
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Edited by epikur
02/09/2014 5:29 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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At best the first coin is an AU coin, more than likely its a details coin. I really wouldnt bother to even waste time bidding unless you can get it for under melt value including the cost of shipping. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to ever wash out the grade of a slab unless youre trying to sell it for more than the slab says hence the "WE believe" line. Theres only really three reasons to wash out a cert number on a slab. The first would be its a stock photo which is just lazy, the second would be they have a ton of them and listed it as one of those 20 available listings, and the last would be its stolen. None of those are ideal for a buyer. Quote:
"We decided 'Strongly' not to send This or ANY other Coin(s) in for Grading to PCGS or ANACS - We will state 'Our Opinion' of the Grade per 'Our Graders Grade' along with any Documentation we can Provide as 'Verified Authentic' by More than just 1 (one) Grading Service if possible. " AKA "too many of our coins were coming back with details grades or grades much lower than we sell them for impeding our ability to sell them for more than they are really worth. Not being able to rip people off is harming our profits too much so we will instead try to rip off as many people as possible without PCGS getting in the way." In other words just go ahead and block them, their listings are worth the time of day to look at for someone so clearly trying to trick people. AGE is a basement slabber too that any reputable store would either crack out or sell like its a raw coins. But not this seller, this seller tries to pass it off as an ANACS coin. The worst part about all of this is they seem to be too lazy to even crack some of the coins out just washing the info out of the pictures. Certainly one of the lazier scammers out there. Edited by basebal21
02/09/2014 5:33 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7613 Posts |
His comment about "if you desire insurance" is totally out of line, too. If someone buys something from an ebay Seller, and it is not delivered, the Seller WILL pony up a refund .... Insured or not. The onus is 100% on the Seller to make sure the item gets delivered. |
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Canada
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That is ridiculous. Simply outrageous, seller should be banned.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Not sure who will be the loser in this situation.
It says "We believ it is MS" Under the best circumstance --- TPG is a mess? Slabbing is costly, and eats a lot of the value between buyer and seller. Slabbing makes econ sense only on multi-hundred dollar coins. After that, both parties split the ebay and paypal juice. In a very small number of ike sales, I have been happy selling my coins on ebay. Mostly Toned and Railroads. As far as buying on the net Let the buyer beware. As far as this particular coin ... look at the scans... Buy only what you SEE. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The onus is 100% on the Seller to make sure the item gets delivered. Bull. If I send an item registered and the post office screws up, it is NOT my responsibility and I will NOT be issuing a refund. I have NO control over that package once it leaves my hands. That is why I highly suggest insurance on anything over 50 bucks. As for the listing. They guarantee it does NOT have a details grade. It is a bid on a coin that you are guaranteed genuine and no details situation. The pics are clear so you can make a good decision on what YOU think the grade is and bid appropriately. Just like any other bid on any other coin you see on any other site. So what is the big deal? I see no issue. Like Basebal, I think that is an AU coin. It doesn't make one iota of difference what the slab says or doesn't say. I think it is AU, that is what I will pay. The slabs only purpose here is to show it is genuine and no details. This actually brings things down to what it SHOULD be. BUY THE COIN, NOT THE SLAB. This shows how hung up on that label you all really are. A perfect example of someone forcing you to buy the coin not the slab and all you can do is rail against it. And why exactly should the seller be banned zx? I do not see anything here that breaks a single rule of ebay. What is outrageous about it? Actually forcing a buyer to pay attention to the coin they are buying? Forcing the buyers to ACTUALLY READ the description so they knew what was going on? Yeah, all terrible horrible things. |
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Canada
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0 negative feedback says it all...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4337 Posts |
The best thing that can happen is that the coins don't go over $30. And this is a relatively new seller who eventually will be closer to 90% seller rating than 100%. Serious collectors will avoid this unless the price stays near melt.
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Bedrock of the Community
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If I send an item registered and the post office screws up, it is NOT my responsibility and I will NOT be issuing a refund. Best case senairo with no insurance on the package would be ebay eating the refund for you since the post office wont be covering it. Western was right though, it doesn't matter whether YOU will be issuing a refund or not if the item never gets there. ebay WILL be issuing a refund to the buyer the only question would be whether or not ebay takes it from you or eats the cost themselves. Quote:
It doesn't make one iota of difference what the slab says or doesn't say. It absolutely makes a huge difference what the slab says when selling a coin in the slab. If he doesn't like it crack the coin out at least. The bottom line though is people with a much more respected reputation and far more skill than him say thats not an MS coin. This is nothing more than someone putting lipstick on a pig trying to get more money for their items theyve consistently been wrong about with TPGs. If its a coin here and there sure the TPGs can get overly conservative sometimes, but when a seller has constant problems with them that sellers grading isn't up to par. Then when a seller goes onto talk about different services and AGS is one of them theyve lost all credibility. If he really believed it didnt matter he would have never sent them in. When they came back with something he liked he had no problem using the grade in his listings which shows its really as simple as his opinion changes based on what he thinks will get him the most money. Its funny in general how sellers always make the label doesn't matter argument trying to sell AU coins as MS or MS 64s as 65s yet you never see any sellers selling MS 65s as 64s or MS coins as AU. If someone actually did it both ways I could respect that, but I've yet to come across anyone who does. Its always sellers trying to get more money for their coins than the TPGs say theyre worth. Quote:I do not see anything here that breaks a single rule of ebay. Not disclosing the PCGS grade, trying to play off AGS as ANACS in one listing, concealing cert numbers, and concealing grades are all ebay listing violations. I'm sure theres more if you really look closely. Edited by basebal21
02/09/2014 7:06 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
675 Posts |
The worst thing about the listings were the uses of about 500 different colors. I couldn't read through the descriptions because it was really messing up my eyes!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
940 Posts |
In addition to all the annoying colors in the ad text, he uses underlines. Underlines should only be used for hyperlinks on the Internet!
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Pillar of the Community
861 Posts |
Loved his description in the 1st listing:
"The Holder is Very Clean free of any serious scratches and hairlines just minor wear. "
Sounds like the winning/loser bidder will be getting a nice "HOLDER", forget about the coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3755 Posts |
I did not take that as trying to play off AGS as ANACS when they clearly showed the AGS label. I took it as confused ramblings. Not disclosing the grade. There is nothing in the list of rules for coin listings that says you must show the grade and cert number of a coin. The only thing it says is that you can not list a numerical grade unless it is from PCGS, NGC, ANACS or ICG. And westernsky specifically said the seller will be doing a refund insurance or not. Again, BULL. And telling buyers they should get insurance to cover themselves is completely IN line. Quote:
much more respected reputation and far more skill Pffftttt. I have mad it no secret how LITTLE I respect the graders at PCGS. Just about the only reason I send coins in to any grading service at all is to insure they are genuine or for attribution (which I have had issues with all of them there as well). The only two coins I sent in solely for the sake of a grade was my brown box Ike and my GSA Morgan. And I think I got rooked on the Morgan. Honestly, I would take your opinion or Jbucks or Fuzzys or any number of people here over PCGS or any other grader in a heartbeat. Point being, I think this guy perfectly reduced the slab to exactly what it should be. This coin is real and not damaged. Quote:
Its always sellers trying to get more money for their coins than the TPGs say theyre worth. And? Is there a single person selling a single item in the entire universe that does not try to get the most out of it they can? And if I think the opinion of some set of people in some grading company stinks like week old rotting fish, then I am going to ignore said opinion and put mine forth ahead of it. Notice that both of us looked at that coin and said AU? It does not matter what PCGS said now does it? If it were to come out that PCGS called that MS60, would you buy it as such? Nope. Neither of us would. And on the other listing. Personally, from the pics, I would say both places went overboard with giving that a PL of any kind. And personally I think that is a base MS coin. 60 and nothing more. So do you think I would pay that ridiculous MS63 DMPL grade? Pffftttt again. Though I DO have to agree with you on that point. Sending it to AGS?  I dislike PCGS, but really? So I have to bow to you on that point sir. And anyone with half a brain in this hobby would do exactly what I am saying. Buy the coin and not the slab. |
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