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Valued Member
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
To double check what I said, go into the community hub on ebay (top right on ebay page) and ask this question to the people their. Mention exactly what you have here, but no names. They should verify a correct solution for you to be used. |
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Valued Member
 Australia
301 Posts |
Well I been on the phone to Paypal and there saying I should just open a case if he wont refund on the original transaction. basically he is opening a complete new transaction to pay me and after I get my money then send the item back and leave him feedback then he can go to his bank and do a charge back on his credit card and they can not stop him as its his credit card merchants call not there's. And because I would have cancelled the transaction there is no way I could claim and I would not even be able to leave feedback. So this guy knows exactly what he is doing and how not to get bad feedback and not detected buy ebay and get peoples money. They said its exactly why I must follow there procedure so to as to prevent people charging back after they finalise everything. So conclusion I have no choice but to do what Paypal say they are my insurer. But to be fair I wont just do it to him I will allow him time to fix it properly if not then I have no choice. |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1040 Posts |
There seems to be a lot of 1925 fakes with the high date kicking around,I'm surprised more people aren't screaming.
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Valued Member
Australia
315 Posts |
Maybe they are but it's resolved behind the scenes without negative feedback
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Valued Member
Australia
301 Posts |
That's exactly what this guy is trying to do in this case coins and he is trying to avoid paypal and ebay checking him to I feel. But he is very quick to refund almost like trying to avoid a disaster he has been emailing non stop I have like 4 more since the ones I posted. Guys If I find another coin can I post it here before I buy or bid , I don't want a top notch one I don't care how many pearls its got I just want a real one with some nice colour in it and nice sharp features. I want to give up looking for one but I think that might be hard to do. |
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Yeah I thought that was the case with this guy. Just open the case under item not as described, it won't harm him and it will get the ball rolling. Some guys seem sincere but they just use stalling tactics which unfortunately work on some people. After 30 days ebay will no longer refund, and 45 with paypal. You were right with your instinct. Whatever you do don't cancel the auction. The reason I knew about some of these things is, I've had similar issues with ebay aswell-so I read up on loads of stuff to better protect myself. And try the site I recommended for your coin. If you post a coin on here that's in auction, you will get help-but also maybe more competition lol. |
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Valued Member
Australia
301 Posts |
LOL awallin well yes competition isn't what I need right now never guys I don't want the million dollar one just a run the mill honest survivor will do me. And as for the guy awallin I have just simply continually refused to do as he wants and he is now going to refund on the old transaction and cancel this new one he tried to pay me with. But what gets me is the way he is falling over to get the money tome. awalling what site was that, was that the museum left overs you were talking about where do go to find that if I'm not being to nosey. Here are the latest replies from him. I'm not mad at him or going to leave him bad feedback he actually wants to fix it which is good I just worried about the motives to fixing it so quick. Dear sweetap, Please listen to me, we carried already this thing to much, trust me, I know exactly how paypal works, I'm not trying to scum you, accept the payment get your money back and to me the all matter is closed, there's nothing you need to be covered of, neither do I, once you accept the payment I made you'll get your money that you can transfer into your account, I already transferred your payment you made for the penny into my account that's why paypal won't make me refund it, it tells me that the money I'm trying to refund as already been transferred, that's the all problem, so to avoid further problems I just made you a payment, simple as that! Please accept it, go to your ebay accept the cancellation of the auction and we close it here, exchange positive feedbacks. it's frustrating me as it would be frustrating you... Dear sweetap, I even asked you if it was ok for you to proceed in this way, you told me ok and I did... It's not a big deal if you do as I said... Please let me know... - thekingrob Click "respond" to reply through Messages, or go to your email to reply Respond Dear sweetap, I know what paypal is talking about but in this case it doesn't matter, if you open a dispute it takes weeks before you get your money back, they need proofs and then they'll ask you to send the coin back to me before you'll get your money, plus if you open I dispute now paypal holds $140 from my credit card as soon as you open it and I already paid that money through another transaction, so it would cost me $280 please follow what I said, I have 212 positive feedbacks, there would be a reason! - thekingrob Dear sweetap, Ok but be aware that it will take a week at least because it won't let me refund the money because I don't know for which stupid reasons the refunds have to be done with the paypal balance and my paypal balance is $0, I tried that at first but it doesn't work that's why I made another payment. I can claim my payment back its true but you could do the same with your one to, so we both would be covered, anyway if you really want to go with the hardest way just refuse my money, I'll wait for then to be credited back then I'll do a money transfer from my bank to the paypal account and that takes a few days so my balance will have the cash and I'll open a dispute for refund. All this instead of pressing a button accept on my payment that I already sent you. - thekingrob Dear sweetap, Ok please decline my payment so I can get the money back. I just want to make clear that I asked you how to proceed, it is not something I've done without your permission Thank you Rob - thekingrob Dear sweetap, It won't let me do anything, it only says unclaimed and show me he details please refuse it - thekingrob |
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Valued Member
Australia
112 Posts |
Hi sweetap,
Hope you don't mind if I chuck in my 2 cents .....
Mate, to be honest, given your situation and what you are saying has happened to date, I would advise that you to do exactly as paypal tells you to do, including opening the case now rather than waiting.
From that point, all correspondence should be via paypal, and strictly factual. Leave emotion out of any communication, and act fairly, but do it through paypal.
At least then your seller knows you are serious, and the resolve can be overseen. If something goes wrong down the track, paypal will be able to see all communication, and it will be much harder for the seller to manipulate around their system of resolution, should they try to.
Don't say more than you need to, give away more personal details than they already have, or send the item back until instructed to do so by paypal. Infact, only act as paypal directs you to, when they direct you to, would be my advice. When you are required to send it back, make sure that you use tracking and signature postage options, so that you can prove that it has been returned.
If everything is on the level and it was all an innocent mistake, then you may reflect back and ask yourself if you really needed to do that, but if it isn't, you'll be kicking yourself if you had the chance to fix it, and didn't.
Yes, mistakes happen, and generally a good seller will go out of their way to not only fix the problem, but also to leave you feeling that you can trust that seller again in the future. Let's hope this is your guy.
Unfortunately though, there are also quite a few sellers, (and buyers, for that matter), who will attempt to take advantage of others and manipulate the systems, because there is very little repercussion if they get caught. They just have to give the money back ..... Yes it is illegal to sell fakes, without specifically identifying it as a copy, and making sure that 'copy' or similar is stamped clearly on the coin. Unfortunately there is very little prosecution, and online marketplaces may pretend to care or to be stringent, but respond very poorly, if at all, when fakes or other forms of deception are reported to them.
Don't be discouraged from collecting though - have a look at the responses you have received from the members here, their support, and advice.
There are many more people interested in coins and helping others expand their knowledge than there are people trying to steal you wallet.
As for feeling foolish? Don't. Every expert was once a beginner, and they all stumbled over exactly the same hurdles you have, as well as the ones you will in the future.
Work on your knowledge, develop your own experience, be a bit careful before spending big bucks, and most times you'll be right.
Most of all, enjoy it - It ain't about the money, (well, I suppose technically it is ....), or about anyone else's reason for collecting, or for that matter, anyone else's opinion. It's about what you enjoy, and your perspective of what you are doing.
Hope it all works out.
Regards,
Tim Bowden
TDK APDC
Edited by Tim Bowden
03/06/2014 07:48 am
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Valued Member
Australia
112 Posts |
Further to last.
I was still typing when you posted your last message, so some of my comments may be a bit redundant now.
Either way - hope it works out.
As for "212 positive feedback" - yes there is a reason.
90% or so are feedback as a buyer. You can no longer get negative feedback as a buyer, and haven't been able to for years. Only about 20 or so are as a seller ......
Regards,
Tim Bowden
TDK APDC
Edited by Tim Bowden
03/06/2014 07:59 am
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1607 Posts |
Listen to Paypal,"DO NOT" listen to this seller,he sounds more & more like a scammer the more I read.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1607 Posts |
Listen to Paypal,"DO NOT" listen to this seller,he sounds more & more like a scammer the more I read.
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Valued Member
Australia
301 Posts |
Hi Tim Bowden and thank you for such great advice. I was thinking exactly what you said I just finished telling my wife of nearly 50 years that is exactly what we should do just make it paypals problem, and yes I garrentee it will have tracking and signature on delivery. As for collecting I will keep trying but not on the copper or crowns I noticed a lot of fake crowns being sold on ebay. which brings me to the question how to tell a real silver coin with out a chemical tester. I will read up a lot more on the 1925 and 1946 pennies before I buy another. And for feeling stupid well at my age I simply should have known better , but I did trust my gut feeling the moment I seen those fakes on gumtree I just new I got caught OH well live and learn own up to your mistakes and go try kick another goal I guess. Thank you very much Tim for that you make me feel all fuzzy inside LOL. OH and yes the members have been great and I thank them all for there input. I will let you all know how I go but I think it is going to be OK I hope. He seems like he wants it fixed. |
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
It was called aussiecoins dot com, I will add a link to the page. Some are really expensive, but there is one I can see that is in circulated condition 1925 penny for just over what you paid for that coin on ebay. http://www.aussiecoins.com/pennies.htmAlso don't worry about 'being nosey', I like to help whenever I can. Another place is 'museumsurpluscoins' but I'd say it's good to fish around, you may net a better price. I'm also sure some of the guys on here have some other good places to use aswell. Maybe a new topic would be good under a title relating to the coin might help with that. Regarding the guy, I'd do as Tim said. Better protect yourself, never know when you could be talking to a wolf in sheeps clothing. Just be safe, and hope you get the coin you want. With the first place you can message them for images if the coin first aswell :D, because the one I'm on about doesn't have an image. But they seem like a good site. |
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Valued Member
Australia
301 Posts |
Hi appleangle, yes I will have to do exactly that, I really don't want to he seems nice enough but what choice is there really. Thank you for that.
And Tim No problem your advice just like appleangles is correct and really there is no other choice.
Thank you all.
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Valued Member
Australia
301 Posts |
OH awallin that's awesome thank you so much, I gonna go take a gander right now thanks mate I owe you a beer.
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