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Is This A Denver Mercury? Could Have Just Scored Big

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 Posted 03/13/2014  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Yet you are the reason sellers do that.
Oh C'mon...the buyers are really to blame? I can think of a half-dozen valid reasons why I might return a coin. And what ebay says about offering returns is pretty darn clear. Similarly, I offer a 14-day return policy here on CCF: no questions asked, all I want is the item to return in the condition I sent. I think this policy instills trust, rather than exploitation--I've never had a bad transaction here on CCF.

Not trying to be acrimonious here, but it's sorta pointless to lump on the buyer. It just escalates things, and they can always take their business elsewhere.
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 Posted 03/13/2014  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DV, you've missed the point completely here in this scenario, with all due respect, this was a rouse, not a sale with issues. And instillation of trust goes both ways
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 Posted 03/14/2014  02:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm...I've read the same thread but I guess I've taken away something different about it.
You know, a lot of dealers of collectables offer a "review period" where the buyer can examine the item and decide yes or no, without conditionals. This is because photos very seldom capture the impression of the item in-hand. I have a few friends who conduct business this way, and it seems to work well for all involved. But I recognize there are forces on ebay which drag transactions towards the gutter. I guess what I'm suggesting is there are ways to keep transactions and buyer satisfaction above this baseline. I think good business is about fostering long-term relationships--not just getting your money and calling it a "win" for your side. Those are my closing thoughts.
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 Posted 03/14/2014  02:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add flippy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You bid, you made a gamble and that gamble didn't pay off. The seller did nothing wrong and shouldn't be forced to refund you for your mistake. The return policy should only be used if the item was not as described, not just because someone changes their mind or took a gamble and it didn't pay off. As others have said, you wouldn't have send extra money if it was a 1916D.
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I sell on ebay & offer the 14 day return policy. I also offer "free" shipping on some items. When someone returns an item I don't get back my shipping, packaging or part of my Paypal fees. That's part of doing business.....but it doesn't make me a happy camper when someone returns an item because they gambled & lost, or because they suffer from buyers remorse. It's not fun to do the right thing & have someone manipulate the system.
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 Posted 03/14/2014  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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but it doesn't make me a happy camper when someone returns an item because they gambled & lost


and therein lies the issue with this particular scenario and circumstance.

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 Posted 03/14/2014  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not taking sides on this interesting issue but
it does bring up one of my favorite debates.

The ever present question of ethics. A question/debate/argument which I've attended
seminars on, listened to speeches, read books and articles, to many water cooler discussions.
I love the question of ethics. (FYI- I'm a hunter and in the medical occupation, minefields of ethical debate)

Many people subscribe to the simple lowest denominator, if it's legal it's ethical, therefore
returning this coin is warranted, because it is within the rules. For many that is end of story.

I suspect sellers will not see it the same way but business is business and business always takes
'is it legal' as it's end point.

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 Posted 03/14/2014  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
, I agree, this is an interesting debate. The best part in my book is the civility in which it is being conducted.
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 Posted 03/14/2014  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Duncan_Doenitz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When a seller demonstrates high ethical standards by offering a liberal return policy, it's not really fair to that seller to treat his sales as an approval service.

I'm just saying...

-Duncan
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 Posted 03/14/2014  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Hmm...I've read the same thread but I guess I've taken away something different about it.


Yes. Yes, you have.


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For all of you saying this is the sellers issue, do NOT ever buy from me. I do NOT want your business.

Are you serious?





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You bid, you made a gamble and that gamble didn't pay off. The seller did nothing wrong and shouldn't be forced to refund you for your mistake. The return policy should only be used if the item was not as described, not just because someone changes their mind or took a gamble and it didn't pay off. As others have said, you wouldn't have send extra money if it was a 1916D.


This statement wins! Thread over.
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 Posted 03/14/2014  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We'll decide when the thread's over, thank you very much.

With that said, I do believe the dogpile has become tall enough - the point has been made.
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 Posted 03/14/2014  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I do believe the dogpile has become tall enough
Is-This-A-Denver-Mercury?-Could-Have-Just-Scored-Big

I'd love the OPs POV still, we have not heard from that party and after reading, as Kelly pointed out, this very civilized and healthy conversation, I wonder if the OP, partisan involvement aside, agrees or disagrees in retrospect.
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We'll decide when the thread's over, thank you very much.


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I see nobody has bothered to bring up the points I discussed. Greater risk, greater reward, but sometimes you get burned. Let this be a lesson to sellers.
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I was sure it was an S. As for returning it, go for it. It is the sellers problem. If they do not want items returned, then they can make their listings no returns accepted. This item undoubtedly fetched a premium because returns were accepted, so the tradeoff for that higher realized price is a risk of a return. The seller made a conscious decision to go that route, and the buyer has full right to return it if they wish.

I see nobody has bothered to bring up the points I discussed. Greater risk, greater reward, but sometimes you get burned. Let this be a lesson to sellers.


You asked so I'll respond. I can't speak for the seller in this case so this is totally my point of view. I accept returns because it's the right thing to do, it makes customers happy, & most importantly there are limited circumstances where a return is justified(damage, mistake on my end,etc). I also post clear pictures that show ALL of the items attributes & flaws. In other words I do everything in my power to avoid having an item returned. Will I accept a return of an item that is exactly as described & pictured? Yes. Am I of the opinion that people that return items for no good reason are inconsiderate at best? Yes. The only lesson I see here is that some buyers believe a reasonable return policy is justification for wasting the sellers time & money.
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