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 Posted 07/19/2005  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SFDukie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi TW,
I have never bid for an ebay coin in this pricerange, so take my words with that caveat. You have mentioned that the pictures don't do the coin justice. I can tell you that on my laptop screen, despite the desirable date/mm and slabbed grade, the coin doesn't look like the beauty you know it to be. My rash take would be to cancel the auction, take the small loss on the listing fee, and put the coin under optimal lighting and relist per the advice here. If you don't have "pro" lighting and camera, what they heck, you sell coins on ebay semiregularly, why not take some of your "windfall profit" on this coin and invest in what you need to make iot look as it does in hand. Bigger pics would be nice as well.
Alernatively, I'm sure heritage would be happy to sell it for you, and they do a great job with pics, IMO.
I can also tell you that the "restocking fee" would put me off. The few dollars it would cost you to take the coin back if still in the slab would be postage, handling, and insurance, and the listing but not sales fee, correct? For paying cash from someone who is not an established dealer, that's what I would look for...an ironclad return policy.
Not trying to criticise TW-I know you buy coins regularly on ebay-just trying to give you an outside look at how an semiserious collector might view this sale
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07/19/2005 1:52 pm
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 Posted 07/19/2005  1:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TerrapinWill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So then if this auction doesn't sell, you would suggest starting low, with a reserve identified in the description, and shorten the length of the auction? I would be thrilled with 1200 so hopefully there will be one bidder.
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 Posted 07/19/2005  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I started an auction last night that is a perfect example of starting low and letting it run. It's not a coin but it is a collectible and probably worth about the same as the coin in question. Here it is....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...m=5221077730

Started it at $9.99.

The only reason that this is listed for 10 days is because I have about a dozen $100 or so cards I want to end at the same time as this one and didn't have time to get them done. Now I can launch them on Thursday for 7 and they will all end on the same night.
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 Posted 07/19/2005  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TerrapinWill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it doesn't sell, I'll eat the listing fee. The restocking thing is to cover the final value fee, which will be high, in the event the person doesn't want the coin. Perhaps that was an error on my part. It's such a great coins, and because of the plastic and the colors involved it's difficult to capture the true color. I would think $1200 would be a really good price for this coin, and if I get one bidder, thats what Ill get. Ill be thrilled with that. I will never be moving a coin like this again, so I really dont want to invest too much into getting better pics.
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 Posted 07/19/2005  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the coin is returned, you can file to have your final value fees credited, so the restocking fee isn't necessary to get that money back. We've had a couple and got the fees back no problem.
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 Posted 07/19/2005  4:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TerrapinWill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i removed that restocking fee from description
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 Posted 07/19/2005  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by TerrapinWill

So then if this auction doesn't sell, you would suggest starting low, with a reserve identified in the description, and shorten the length of the auction? I would be thrilled with 1200 so hopefully there will be one bidder.



I'm of the school of thought to NOT identify the reserve amount in the description. The psychological rationale of this is to rely on the natural curiosity of some bidders to discover what the actual reserve might be by continued bidding until the reserve is met. This is also enhanced by competitive bidding by two or more bidders in which there is no known goal such that the prices keep going up and up because of the "feeding frenzy". I also think that if the reserve is stated in the description, it then becomes just another high start price; bidders will know for certain that they will not be able to buy it for a bargain. An identified reserve, especially if it is high, can also be the start bid for a snipe thus possibly making the snipe and, hence the sale at the reserve price rather than having competitive bidding for more than the reserve. I've won coin auctions with a snipe for the stated reserve price as the only bidder; without a known reserve price, I might have bid higher.

Clearly, there are counter-arguments for this approach. With a known reserve, at least the bidders know where they stand. Part of the fun, however, at least for me, is the mystery and suspense of a no-holds barred auction in which the most daring wins.

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 Posted 07/19/2005  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

In my opinion reserves are just silly. Here is one reason...

Listing fees for $1,100 opening bid with gallery that does not sell > $6.15

Listing fees for $9.95 opening bid w/ $1,100 reserve with gallery that does not sell > $16.40

All the reserve does is reward ebay for not finding you a buyer.

Reason #2 is buyers don't like them. I did a survey on Bravenet of over 250 ebay customers and 92% said they hit the back button if they see the dreaded (Reserve Not Met).

ebay knows this. Buyers have been petitioning ebay to put a note or logo on the search pages to disclose auctions that have a reserve so that they don't have to click on the auction. It will never happen because ebay knows that sellers that use reserves will see approximately a 90% drop in hits which will lead them to stop using it. Then ebay loses all that money.

The only one that wins with reserves is ebay. Period.
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 Posted 07/19/2005  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To get my Two Cents in here. I have a policy of not bidding in ANY reserve auction. If I see something I like and wish to bid I will email the seller and ask what their reserve price is. If I don't receive an answer in a day or so I go on to another auction without bidding.

I just don't like tieing up my money without knowing where stand.

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 Posted 07/19/2005  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Twentycent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Will! I don't see much wrong with your auction. If the right person comes along and wants it...well...I like 10 day listings starting on Thursday around 10:00PM PST for items in this price range. That gives 2 week-ends for someone to see it.



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 Posted 07/19/2005  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
That gives 2 week-ends for someone to see it.


Weekend hits from the the 4th of July till Sept. (when the kids go back to school) drop 65-75% across the board. You do not want a 10 day auction to span 2 weekends during this time. The rest of the year you do.

During the hot months, the best night to launch a 10 dayer is Monday.
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 Posted 07/20/2005  04:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by bobby131313

quote:
That gives 2 week-ends for someone to see it.


Weekend hits from the the 4th of July till Sept. (when the kids go back to school) drop 65-75% across the board. You do not want a 10 day auction to span 2 weekends during this time. The rest of the year you do.

During the hot months, the best night to launch a 10 dayer is Monday.



Some professionals here end their auctions around 9 am
That means that if I am intrested I have to put in a bid
late evening day before or use an automatic sniper
Is there any advantage to the vendor ending his auctions in the morning ?
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 Posted 07/20/2005  08:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TerrapinWill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, there is still 4 days left, including a weekend. Ithe opening bid of $1200 is a very fair price for this coin. If someone, just one, bids $1200, Ill be thrilled. I dont do this for a living, or even all that often (Sell high end coins). I never considered a reserve because of the fee involved. I've seen ordinary Morgans with this Date and MM go fro several hundred more, but even if average for the grade $1200 is a steal, since PCGS will stand behind it.

What are peoples predictions as to what will happen? Sell or no Sell?
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 Posted 07/20/2005  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I could only find 1 MS64 which sold for more than what you're asking and the seller has a total feedback score from buyers of over 3500. That coin was blast white. Any others that I'm seeing in the same price range as yours are MS65. Sorry to say that I don't think it will sell. I think it will sell for about $965 on the ebay market. I think you may be better trying Heritage.

It is my opinion that people cannot be counted on to pay a premium between MS63-MS64 and are only willing to let the price jump at MS65. Just my opinion.
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quote:
Originally posted by ageka

quote:
Originally posted by bobby131313

quote:
That gives 2 week-ends for someone to see it.


Weekend hits from the the 4th of July till Sept. (when the kids go back to school) drop 65-75% across the board. You do not want a 10 day auction to span 2 weekends during this time. The rest of the year you do.

During the hot months, the best night to launch a 10 dayer is Monday.



Some professionals here end their auctions around 9 am
That means that if I am intrested I have to put in a bid
late evening day before or use an automatic sniper
Is there any advantage to the vendor ending his auctions in the morning ?


There are advantages for certain items. Generally, items geared toward stay-at-home moms do well ending in the morning around 10 or in the afternoon around 1:30-2:00. (We have done well with various china pieces, Hummels, plates, etc. ending at these times). We have tried ending coin auctions in the mornings and afternoons as an experiment and found that it is simply a bad time to end them. Bids were less than half and final hammer price was very low. That's why we end our auctions between 9:30-10PM Eastern Time. It has also been shown that most hits on eBay-US come from the east coast. That's why we gear our auction end to that.
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