Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. 300,000 items to help build your collection! Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Specializing in Modern Numismatics Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin AuctionsVancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Fact V Fantasy - The Role Of The Internet

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 6 / Views: 1,888Next Topic  
Valued Member
tokensa1's Avatar
Australia
69 Posts
 Posted 06/17/2014  02:01 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tokensa1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
As a numismatist who has spent over 30 years researching his specific areas of interest in his hobby one of the most frustrating challenges I have faced is getting the publishers of coin books in South Africa to rectify what are some glaring errors.

All too often the publishers simply go with the flow and parrot what has been published before under their name adding another layer of paint to the fantasy and hiding the reality.

In South Africa I have, for nearly ten years now, offered an open challenge to anyone who has recognised credentials in the early history of South African numismatics to publicly debate me on the truth behind the country's first circulating indigenous currency.

This debate has been extended to anyone - including Brian Hern who currently publishes the S African coin books and claims the Griquatown were bona fide coins and circulated for two years before being withdrawn (his source: Parson - 1927).

No one has ever accepted the challenge to my proposition that the Griquatown tokens (not coins) never circulated and were a complete and utter failure. The fact is that not one Griquatown token ever circulated as money.

I have debated the subject long and hard on the Bid or Buy forum in South Africa in the past with some of the country's best known collectors and dealers. When they were provided with specific references that they could look up which destroy the fanciful argument that the Griquatown tokens ever circulated at all they disappear into the proverbial bush but still hang onto the fantasy carried in Hern's books suggesting that they did.

The internet is a wonderful medium for education and research. Without it I would never have been able to put together the comprehensive argument that I have (based on fact) that a few key areas in the early numismatic history of South Africa as presented in so many recent coin books is complete fantasy and devoid of any truth or factual basis.

I live in hope that some day soon these fantasies will be corrected in a coin catalogue on South African coins.

This can only be good for our hobby.

Scott Balson
Moderator
Learn More...
Sap's Avatar
Australia
16857 Posts
 Posted 06/17/2014  06:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Vested interests can be powerful.

A similar case in point: I have a friend in my coin club who has argued vociferously both in the NAA Journal and in the Australasian Coin & Banknote Magazine that the coin type frequently marketed as the "Biblical Tribute Penny" was not in fact the type of coin Jesus actually held, which was more likely to be a certain other type of coin. But however good his arguments might be (and personally I am ambivalent about them), he's never going to convince all the coin dealers and coin collectors that have paid huge premiums to buy and sell "Tribute Pennies" to stop using that label.

Likewise, Griquatown "coins" carry the premium they do partly because they are marketed as "South Africa's first coinage". Relabelling them "Private fantasy pattern coins" would see people rapidly lose interest in them and their value would fall. Neither the dealers trying to sell them nor the investor-collectors that already own them want to see that happen.

I do, however, think you can claim at least a partial victory: go buy the latest version of the Krause catalogue and you won't find the Griquatown "coins" listed anymore. That's not an error of omission; Krause has officially withdrawn them from their "mainstream" coin listings and placed them in the "Unusual World Coins" book, alongside all the other unofficial and fantasy-pattern coinages. Here's the Griquatown farthing on the NGC database; note the "X Tn" number, indicating an unofficial token. Also read the Note in the description: "Prev. KM#Tn1". It used to be a recognized token, but it's been de-listed as an official token.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
Pillar of the Community
ErrorCoins222's Avatar
United States
1699 Posts
 Posted 06/17/2014  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ErrorCoins222 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wonderful post. I do appreciate the work that you've put into your research. I wish you the best of luck.
Valued Member
ASEnut's Avatar
South Africa
453 Posts
 Posted 06/17/2014  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ASEnut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is South Africa no one cares about anything anyway no wonder we are in such a state!
Pillar of the Community
austrokiwi's Avatar
2087 Posts
 Posted 06/17/2014  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now krause need to do the same thing with Maria Theresa thalers!!

LOL I know the frustration of dealing with Myths about coins. The 1780 MAria Theresa Thaler is one of the most abused in that fashion. I think the funniest( and saddest) thing I ever read was a Canadian economic Historians article published in an economics Journal. In the first paragraph he launched into another economic Historian about all the mistakes that had been written on the MTT. then in the following three paragraphs the young Academic made just as many errors as those he had lambasted his senior for.

Valued Member
Germany
194 Posts
 Posted 06/18/2014  07:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dosmundos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I don't know anything about South African coins and numismatic history, I'm afraid, but it appears to me that in this case, the changed listing in Krause would "beat" any national coin catalog.

Usually it's the other way around - specialized catalogs are much more precise, while Krause repeats errors, omissions and misattributions that have been corrected decades ago...
Valued Member
tokensa1's Avatar
Australia
69 Posts
 Posted 06/18/2014  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tokensa1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have heard that rumours that a new South African coin catalogue will appear in the next few months that will reflect the important change first published by Krause.

Scott Balson
  Previous TopicReplies: 6 / Views: 1,888Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.26 seconds to rattle this change. Forums