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Why Does The US Mint So Many Billions Of Coins Every Year?

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 Posted 07/07/2014  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jack jeckel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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O.K., as usual, prices are rounded up or down, to the nearest multiple of .05 or .10. The net effect to you is zero.


The current generation working as cashiers aren't even educated enough to do basic math when counting out change from the register to give you 46 cents back. That is why you end up with 4 dimes and 6 cents instead of a quarter, 2 dimes and a cent and that is with the register doing the math for them and telling them the exact amount to give you back.

I can only imagine the arguments ensuing when they or other should have been Darwin'd people start arguing they were shorted by the round up / down system.

You ever been blessed to be stuck at a corner store or gas station any other business in the ghetto? You have all of the con men and street urchins and others arguing with the foreigner behind the register that they were shorted or whatever. Now you try to get them to do math?

Lord have mercy.

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 Posted 07/07/2014  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What is crazy is that we taxpayers lose about $100 million a year minting pennies and nickels that cost more to make than their face value.


then stop using $1 bills that last 18 months and adopt $1 coins that last 30 years, and we can cut out the cost os making those bills so often.

5.4 cents per each dollar bill? 18.4 cents for a dollar coin? if the coin lasts just 5 years it reduce the cost and you dont have to burn the coins to get rid of them and store them in a landfill, because you can melt them down to make anything the metals could make, called recycling.

anyone got the cost of getting rid of old bills vs the cost of making the cents and nickels? how msut does it cost per year to dispose of bills? how much is that costing taxpayers?

do you pay your buddy back the moeny he lent you with a credit card? I was unaware that everyone I the country could take credit cards now. I haven't gotten my gov't issue credit/debit card taking device "for all transactions public AND PRIVATE".

these education lotteries dont have a problem with coins as they spend jsut as quickly as other forms and MUST be purchased with CASH, not electronic payments. schools are happy to have them. how much does that generate for schools? what percentage of public school funding do they subsidize that tax dolalrs don't have to cover?

as long as there is cash, there will be coins. maybe people should treat the coins better then so many wouldn't have to be made? do schools still do those chemistry experiments with coins to turn them or "melt" pennies and nickels? even after the law said it is illegal to melt them after 2006? the ammonia experiment dissolves them and that is pretty much melting them. how about those others that change the color of them? why arent schools jsut using stock sheets of copper for these things since you can get those at hobby stores? not illegal to melt a sheet of copper you bought, and the same test and experimenter can be done.

they make so many coins because so many are needed. more businesses pop up needing more change to give out, meaning more coins are needed for opening the cash register. when the rich people that dont need cash for things start sharing the wealth with everyone else so everyone has debit cards full of excess moeny, then maybe coins wouldnt be needed so much or in such large quantities, but until then, those rich people with such fat bank accounts with so much they can spend with debit cards should just shut up and worry about themselves since they dont want to redistribute the wealth so more people have the luxuries that they do and not have a need for coins.

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 Posted 07/08/2014  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add machine20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You could just put your coins into a bank account and spend that money with a debit card.
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 Posted 07/08/2014  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tkbslc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a long rant that has little to do with nickels and pennies. I don't think my friend would accept that lunch I owe him in pennies anyway.
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 Posted 07/08/2014  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add machine20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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when the rich people that dont need cash for things start sharing the wealth with everyone else so everyone has debit cards full of excess moeny, then maybe coins wouldnt be needed so much or in such large quantities, but until then, those rich people with such fat bank accounts with so much they can spend with debit cards should just shut up and worry about themselves since they dont want to redistribute the wealth so more people have the luxuries that they do and not have a need for coins


I think that mindset may be the problem
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 Posted 07/08/2014  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whit3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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O.K., as usual, prices are rounded up or down, to the nearest multiple of .05 or .10. The net effect to you is zero.


If the cent and/or nickel would be eliminated, I don't see businesses rounding down. After all, they would look at those "lost cents" as lost revenue. They would round up.

I've seen businessmen who would spend a million dollars to track where a penny went.
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 Posted 07/08/2014  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tkbslc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They raise prices ten cents every year anyway. It's now 1.79 for a bottle of coke for Pete's sake! If they are $1.9 next year or $1.89 who notices?
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 Posted 07/08/2014  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If the cent and/or nickel would be eliminated, I don't see businesses rounding down. After all, they would look at those "lost cents" as lost revenue. They would round up.
For what it is worth, many companies in Canada round down since the discontinuation of the cent. For example, Home Depot (which in a classy move also rounds up customer refunds).

Do you really want to be the guy who rounds up when your competitors are rounding down? I did not think so. Take care of your customers, or someone else will.
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then stop using $1 bills that last 18 months and adopt $1 coins that last 30 years, and we can cut out the cost os making those bills so often.


This is one of the strongest arguments for eliminating the wasteful penny. The biggest reason dollar coins aren't used is most cash registers don't have a proper slot for them. If you get rid of the penny you free up a place to keep the dollar coins.

We have the same currency system that was in place half a century ago when you could buy lunch for 50c. Indeed, we've even lost the half dollar and gained an albatross known as the cent.

The exact same $5 bill that could buy lunch for a crowd in 1964 now won't even buy lunch for one. The dime that once bought a cup of coffee no longer buys anything at all in the grocery store; (half a banana anyone?).

The currency systyem is broken and the major cause and chief symbol of the dysfunction is the penny.

The only thing the penny is good for is to show to future generations that we are the most wasteful society that has ever graced the planet. We are so full of ourselves that it makes perfect sense to us to make a coin worth less than the cost of production. Heaven forfend that a modern human should be "shortchanged" at the checkout! It's better to throw away Two Cents wealth than to risk someone being a penny poorer.
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 Posted 07/08/2014  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why doesn't everyone just reuse their change as soon as they get it instead of throwing the coins into jars?

And stop using copper and nickel if they can because it leads to people hoarding the things.
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 Posted 07/08/2014  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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That's a long rant that has little to do with nickels and pennies.


To who wrote this, look at the State Quarter program and the quarters issued in 2009. you wil notice 5 that use US money but are not 1 of the 50 states or with the borders of the contiguous 48 states. Aside from those, many people require those nickel and cents to make ends meet each month. they don't qualify for debit cards from banks and must use cash. Those wealthy enough to not need every cent to make it each month are wearing rose-tinted glasses and not realizing what the rest of the people have to use. It is VERY connected to the reason cents and nickels are required. Some people leave them in those trays at stores labeled "Have a penny leave a penny. Need a penny take a penny" while others only get by because those trays exist. too many people that don't use coins that often are wearing blinders to hide them from reality.


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Why doesn't everyone just reuse their change as soon as they get it instead of throwing the coins into jars?


some people are still alive from the Great Depression of the 20s~30s. their children are still alive and were taught that method to save money as well. Coinstar gave people a reason to not need to rush to spend your change.

Personally, I wait until I have a roll worth and just take it to a store and spend a whole roll.

Aluminum is at 85 cents per pound if I am reading spot prices currently right now, while copper is at $3.25 per pound. I have Putt-Putt tokens that are as old as and look in better shape than pennies. Nickel on the other hand is $8.90 per pound. So if anyone can figure out a cost of production based on just metal prices to figure out what the other costs are, then I am guessing making nickels out of aluminum would probably counteract the cost of cents being made from copper. not sure if you could cooper-coat/clad an aluminum core for a cent, but Zins is 20 cents more per pound than aluminum is as well.

Heck if ALL the "silver" coins were made from aluminum instead of cupro-nickel, then ALL the costs would be down. heck I have used an aluminum soda can for planting things in for 2 years and it is still going strong as thin as it is to hold the dirt, take the weather, take the sun. maybe the lacquer coating on it to protect it from the soda acids has helped, but aluminum seems just as good as any othe metal since we are using base metals anyway, why not use the cheapest one that will work?

has the mint given ANY reason why they don't use aluminum?
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 Posted 07/08/2014  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tkbslc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Aside from those, many people require those nickel and cents to make ends meet each month. they don't qualify for debit cards from banks and must use cash. Those wealthy enough to not need every cent to make it each month are wearing rose-tinted glasses and not realizing what the rest of the people have to use.


Sorry, but I don't believe you. There is no way you could literally be down to your last few pennies and nickels because you can't buy ANYTHING for a few pennies and nickels. If you were down to your last 3 dimes vs 5 pennies and 5 nickels, you'd still be too broke to buy ANYTHING.

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 Posted 07/08/2014  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add machine20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know. He's trying to pretend like he is someone who doesn't exist.
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Why doesn't everyone just reuse their change as soon as they get it instead of throwing the coins into jars?


I do, if it is worth carrying. But even with quarters, I need 6-8 just to buy a soda these days. And in pennies, 150 copper pennies weighs 1 pound! Who wants a pound of jingle in their pocket just to buy a cheap coffee or a pop? And then the cashier will hate you for a week for making them count to 150.
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