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rasiel Valued Member United States 61 Posts	Posted 08/06/2014 8:48 pm Ok I'm pretty sure I would get tsk'd-tsk'd by a Latin major but I think this is an example of the vocative case. Difference: DN CRISPVS NOB CAES (Our lord Crispus noble caesar) vs DN CRISPO NOB CAES (Our lord Crispus MADE noble caesar). The vocative case indicates that the subject is receiving an action. Ras Report this Post to the Staff
echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 08/06/2014 8:59 pm Ras, If I understand you correctly that would mean that this coin was issued at the time or just before Crispus was made Caesar? Report this Post to the Staff
Victor Pillar of the Community United States 905 Posts	Posted 08/06/2014 9:41 pm Quote: this coin was issued at the time or just before Crispus was made Caesar? Crispus was appointed Caesar in A.D. 317. CRISPO was used a few times starting in A.D. 319 on VLPP from Lyons and again in A.D. 322 on the BEATA issue from Lyons. Report this Post to the Staff
echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 08/06/2014 10:07 pm So, does that mean that CRISPO is just another way of using his name and has no other meaning than that? Report this Post to the Staff
FVRIVS RVFVS Pillar of the Community United States 3444 Posts	Posted 08/06/2014 11:17 pm I don't think it is the vocative ( et tu Brute ? ) Vocative endings for 2nd declension masculine are 'us' or 'e' us - nominative ie subject of sentence i - genitive ie possessive form 'of' someone o - dative ie something is 'for' someone um - accusative ie direct object of sentence o - ablative ie from or by someone It's been 35 years since I had Latin at UMass but I am thinking we are looking at the ablative Report this Post to the Staff
rasiel Valued Member United States 61 Posts	Posted 08/06/2014 11:22 pm In the case of caesars the minute they got their first coin that meant by definition they were formally next in line. I can't think of a single case where a living heir is portrayed on a coin prior to getting this title. Anyway, it's a hard concept to get across because in English we don't have declensions but, yeah, the -O suffix is just another way of addressing the person being honored. Ras Report this Post to the Staff
pishpash Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 3626 Posts	Posted 08/07/2014 02:48 am Chrsmat: Yes I am waiting for delivery and thank you for your kind comment, I love your devil's dictionary quote. Everyone else: Thank you for the Latin lesson, fascinating stuff. Report this Post to the Staff
antwerpen2306 Pillar of the Community Belgium 1194 Posts	Posted 08/13/2014 2:27 pm it is not an ablative , but a dative and means ; to our lord Crispus, noble Caesar. Report this Post to the Staff
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