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Early Roman - Why Are They So Different?

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If both of these coins are authentic, which I am assured they are, then why are they so different?
I.E. The Elephants, and also the Tools?


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Because they are from different dies.
Certainly made ​​by different engravers, however, both reflect the official concept, that this coin had to give:the victories of Caesar in Gaul, and his public office of Pontifex Maximus.
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In case you come across it, there is also a type with a markedly different elephant. It is engraved in a crude manner and might lead you to think it is unauthentic. That type is less common.

Here are the two elephant types. I'm confident of the authenticity of both.

Crude elephant:
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Somewhat more realistic elephant (like the examples you showed):
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These dies were cut by hand and not always by the same person. It's an imperfect art and there are minor (and sometimes major) variations between most coins of the same type. This is why sometimes it is possible to tell if two coins are a 'die-match' (made from the same die) or to confirm a coin and probably fake by looking for die-matches with known fakes.
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According to one well respected collector, and I will even add scholar, the "nicer" one was made by a military mint in Gaul. The cruder one in Spain.

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"The first (he's talking about the nicer type) is found disproportionately in hoards in Gaul as compared with any other location including Italy. The second (he's talking about the cruder type) is more often found in Spain. This sort of evidence is pretty decisive in pinpointing the source of the coins."

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@tenacious: Very interesting! I googled the quote and found McCabe's post. I will incorporate some of the information into the writeup for this coin on my website.
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