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Small Roman Coin With Child?

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 Posted 09/08/2014  05:12 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add vince1977 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello All,

Ive got an bunch of roman/ iberan/ celtic coins. And I am trying to learn more about them. Just because I am bad in determine roman coins and older.
I am hoping if you can give me tips or directions about this small coin.

The head on one side looks like an childs head. The other side looks like some victory standing people with an P between. Maybe chi ro?




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 Posted 09/08/2014  05:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Vince,

Probably one of Constantine's two sons. Constans or Constantius II

This reverse type has an endless variety of reverse field marks.

Scroll through to see some for each emperor:

Constans: http://www.coinproject.com/search_e...age=3&page=4

Constantius II: http://www.coinproject.com/search_e...age=8&page=9
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 Posted 09/08/2014  05:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vince1977 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Biancasdad,
It has alot of similarities to this coin from the first link. The mintmark is that the lookalike P in the middle? Then it is the same as trier of the link below?

http://www.coinproject.com/coin_det...p?coin=53485
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 Posted 09/08/2014  06:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You are welcome Vince.

Actually the mint mark on your coin is probably partially off flan or just obscured by dirt. Many coins from this period weren't struck with particularly good dies and/or diligence.

The "P" isn't part of the mint mark, it is a field mark possibly used to differentiate series of coins struck, not the place of production.

Many times for late Roman bronzes in this period the best we can do is narrow it down somewhat by using this popular spread sheet by process of elimination given what the coin shows us. (bust variations, legend breaks, field marks, etc etc)

Scroll down to this reverse type and check it out if you like:

http://www.catbikes.ch/coinstuff/coins-ric.htm
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 Posted 09/08/2014  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vince1977 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am trying :)
Is it this type?
Jupiter standing left, chlamys across left shoulder, leaning on sceptre, holding Victory on globe in right hand, in front of Fortuna standing right with cornucopiae, modius and holding rudder on globe?

Then it is probably an Follis? Or smaller one? Antonianus is bigger right?
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Two Victory's facing holding wreaths
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 Posted 09/08/2014  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably
Constans
CONSTAN-S PF AVG
LROSDC
VICTORIAE DD AVGG
SARL
P
Arles R
IC VIII Arles 87
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15-16 mm
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 Posted 09/08/2014  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe this one might be Constantius II, I'm seeing a dot over P. The mint mark should be PARL, Arles mint RIC VIII Arles 83 rated c3
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From whats left of the legend and its positioning, it seems to me like Constans, but it turns out that this is Constantius as only 1 coin is listed with (dot) over P in the field.

Constantius II
CONSTANTI-VS PF AVG
VICTORIAE DD AVGGQ NN
PARL
dot over P
RIC VIII Arles 83
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Quote:
1 coin is listed with (dot) over P in the field


That is a centering dot, this coin is Constans.

http://www.constantinethegreatcoins.com/dots/
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surely you can't cram the word constantius in the missing
letters gap which is consistent with the spacing of the
visible letters?

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surely you can't cram the word constantius


No you can't...It is Constans as I already posted (and pishpash earlier)
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Its totally Constans, no doubt about it.
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on the rosette diademed bust, the hair below the diadem runs
parallel to the ear similar to that of constantius?
the bust of constans has it running horizontal?

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It sure looks like a dot to me. I don't know about it being a centering dot. I would agree that fitting Constantivs would be a tight fit but most of the obverse legend is missing from this coin anyway. You are more expert on these coins than I am so I will defer to your ID.
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 Posted 09/09/2014  08:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vince1977 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for taking time to respond to this tread! I see I have to learn alot still about roman coins. Maybe after some other post of roman coins I will get better.
If I get some direction I always like to give it a try. The best way of learning more on the coins. And some better cleaning would be nice I think.
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