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Problem With ANACS 1909-S VDB Cent -- Need Advice

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 Posted 11/13/2014  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 712 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree but time is not on your side don't let it slide. A word of advice, don't trust anyone, I see this as not a mistake by the auctioneer but a right out fraudulent act. These guys know what they are doing mistakes cost them money and a bad reputation.
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 Posted 11/14/2014  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe not, a lot of catalogers now don't bother to really look at the coins and just go with what is on the slab label.
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 Posted 11/14/2014  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shoover4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The auctioneer has since agreed (quite reluctantly) to take the coin back.

I had not provided pictures of the coin because I thought someone might tie them back to the auctioneer and I did not want to somehow taint his reputation until I saw how everything played out. I did not mean to offend anyone by not posting them. I really was just looking advice on how to proceed and was not seeking opinions on the validity of the grade, etc. I did not see any need to post them (and I still don't, to be frank). Regardless, I've attached them here. I've blacked out the cert # simply because I want to maintain a good relationship with the auctioneer (who I have bought a lot of coins from).

As you can see, it is indeed an old holder. I sent the pictures to ANACS and they say that it appears to be nicer than an F12, which again suggests to me that someone likely tampered with it. They've asked me to send them the coin and I am tempted to do that. Sending it back to the auctioneer who will in turn send it back to the consignor effectively means that it will be sold to someone else. I don't like the thought of that.


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 Posted 11/14/2014  1:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for posting the pics and I understand the desire to not taint your current relationship with your auction company.

Based on what I can see, there Is a flaw in the upper right part of the slab (viewing from the front) that may be evidence of tampering. (Along the right edge, approximately 1/2 inch down from the top you can see "something".) Look for other signs like bumps, bruises, small tics in the plastic. Always remember anything that is put together can be taken apart. It is hard to do without leaving some tale tale evidence of tampering, though.

I would return the coin to the auction company and get a refund. Let them deal with the consignor and/or ANACS. If they relist the coin "as is" then you know 100% that they are deceptive and you should take your business elsewhere.

Good luck!
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 Posted 11/14/2014  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Go-Rebels to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some of the VDBs are very weak on the reverse. You almost need to pop the coin out of the slab to get proper light onto it to make a determination. For that reason alone I don't buy slabbed coins with weak VDBs. In fact, I'd always rather buy a raw coin with a strong VDB versus a certified coin with a weak VDB.

Example: http://coins.ha.com/itm/lincoln-cen...7261.s#Photo
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