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'50 Cash' (~29mm) from Wang Mang, Chinese Emperor AD7-AD23 - Schjoeth#120

Obverse: "Ta Ch'uan Wu Shih" (Great Coin value 50)
Reverse: (pretty plain)
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Pragergroschen from Wenceslas II (1278-1305), Kingdom of Bohemia minted in Kuttenberg

Obverse: +DEI:GRATIA+REX:BOEMIE around +WENZESLAVS SECVNDVS around crown
Reverse: +GROSSI+PRAGENSES around lion of Bohemia

This was the first ruler to start ~1300 to coin the Pragergroschen, he was also for times King of Poland

Just as point of interest: see on the reverse the two S in 'grossi' in a lying position while the S in 'pragenses' is the way we are used to.
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Pan Liang of 3 chu weight (~2g) minted under Emperor Wu Ti (140BC-87BC) - Schjoeth#104+ / Mitchiner#5421+

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Pragergroschen from Wenceslas III(IV) (1378-1419), Kingdom of Bohemia minted in Kuttenberg

Obverse: DEI GRATIA REX:BOEMIE around +WENZESLAVS:TERCIVS around crown
Reverse: GROSSI PRAGENSES around lion of Bohemia

Not much legible of the legend but the key 'TERCIVS' is.
Why III(IV)?
The Wenceslas which is nowadays counted as III without comment was a young boy, who was never crowned but viewed by some as the King of Bohemia from 1305-1306 when he died as 16 year old.
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oh man, I got beat to wang mang.

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well, I guess you can't have to many wang mangs.

and a slightly different ban liang, a Wu fen ban liang.

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Nice coins, been lazy the last few days haven't even thought about my Chinese coins.
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Wu Chu from emperor Wen Ti (581-604) - Schjoeth#253 / Mitchiner#5490+

Obverse: Full outer rim, "Wu Chu', inner rim on right side only
Reverse: Full outer and inner rim

Note: This coin continued to be minted for a few years after Wen Ti's death.
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There are other Pan Liangs with different weight which through that can be attributed to the reign of Emperor Wen Ti (178BC-157BC) but they look just the same as those above, so it's not worth showing.

So here my last offering for W. To avoid boring you with another Pragergroschen, here a coin from his other realm:


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Denar from Wladislaus II (1490-1516), Kingdom of Hungary - Huszar#808 / cf.Rethy#275/272

Obverse: M.WLADISLAI.R.VNGARI (retrograde N) around arms
Reverse: PATRONA VNGARIE around Madonna with child, at sides K H
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After a lot of head scratching, the only thing I could come up with remotely viable for X are the denominations for early Republican Denari or the larger aes denominations on some of the Byzantines. But i'll give it a miss and start counting my Ys and Zs.
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I've been waiting for the "x" coins. here is a unplanned "x" pic I had..

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china, northern song coins
11th - early 12th century
TL: xuan he tong bao
TR: xi ning yaun bao
BL: xi ning zhong bao orthodox script
BR: xi ning zhong bao seal sript
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You are nearly tempting me to scan some of the Chinese coins with I have written down with year titles starting with 'hs', but for now I stick with the old transliteration.

You have the full attribution?
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no med, I never did figure out the exact attribution of the coin. I did figure out the smaller TR coin, it is hartill16.171 the other coins are 2 cash coins, I think, but not certain, that I have them correctly IDed as far as general type.
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I never did figure out the exact attribution of the coin


As for the "xuan he" , I have down as:

'Hsuan-ho' (reign title 1119-1125) of emperor Hui Tsung (1101-1125)

and re the "xi ning":

'Hsi-ning' (reign title 1068-1077) of emperor Shen Tsung (1068-1085)
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Issue of emperor Ying Tsung (1064-1067), with reign title Chih-p'ing (1064-1067) - Schjoeth#519 / Mitchiner#3466

Inscription (circular from top): "Chih-p'ing Yuan Pao" in seal script
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hmmmmm....i I don't know med.

here is a xi ning like mine on numismall..

http://www.numismall.com/acc/1068-1...-128788.html

here's a xuan he near the bottom..

http://primaltrek.com/flowerhole.html

maybe they are known as more than one thing? I'm not enough of an expert on this coins to be able to tell you anything really.
ski? don't you do some chinese? or bobbyhelmet? someone here is into chinese coins kind of hardcore aren't they?

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