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Leader of the free world? In the 1860's the US was still a minor nation. I would be inclined to disagree, the US was major enough to successfully succeed from a country that had been established for hundreds of years & have multiple colonies across the globe. Although that is beside the point, when I say "leader of the FREE world", I refer to religious freedom (Many prodestants fleed England to make their home in the US to practice Christianity without persecution) & the emancipation proclamation. |
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United States
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Lincoln was a pretty good if not great President Again many would disagree, myself included. Lincoln trampled on the Constitution, especially the 10th amendment. He really didn't care about ending slavery. That is all a myth. He was actually pretty racist himself. He was adamantly opposed to racial equality, actually using the words "superior and inferior" to describe the "appropriate" relation between the white and black races. He opposed giving blacks the right to vote, to serve on juries, or to intermarry with whites. He supported the legal rights of slave owners and pledged his support of a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited the federal government from ever interfering with Southern slavery. He imprisoned his political oppositions, journalists, and people who just disagreed with him. He massacred native Americans. The war between the States was about power, not slavery. The 7 states seceded because Lincoln raised tariffs. The 7 states that seceded were coastal cities that traded overseas. They left the union because they were heavily burdened by the federal government. Lincoln, then became a dictator. He ordered volunteers to invade these states. That's when remaining confederates joined the CSA. Lincoln is responsible for more American deaths than any other human. Oh yeah,Lincoln also suspended Writs of Habeas Corpus. I do not hold Lincoln up as highly as you do. But, I guess it all depends on each individual's principals and ideas of what our governmental powers are. |
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Again many would disagree, myself included Many (784 qualified) people would agree that he was & is still the greatest president of all time. In the book, "Rating the Presidents" by William J. Ridings Jr. and Stuart B. McIver, Seven hundred nineteen professors, elected officials, historians, attorneys & authors participated in the poll and rated the presidents. Abraham Lincoln finished first, Franklin Roosevelt was second, and George Washington finished third. Categories included leadership qualities, accomplishments and crisis management, political skill, appointments, character and integrity. Lincoln was ranked no lower than first, second, or third in any of the categories, and his overall ranking was first among all American presidents. http://rogerjnorton.com/Lincoln87.htmlIn 2009 a poll conducted by C-Span of 65 historians Lincoln also finished first, followed by George Washington & Franklin Roosevelt. http://legacy.c-span.org/Presidenti...Ranking.aspxEdited by CopperCastle
02/22/2015 11:26 am
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CopperCastle,
All you did was say that some people think he is the best president. I can find 'qualified' people that think he is the worst president. Just off the top of my head is Judge Napolitano, historian Tom Woods, and former Congressman Dr. Ron Paul.
The government education system loves to idolize this man, when in fact he was a tyrant. We need to get away from blindly following what experts tell us to believe (like Lincoln is the best president) and start critically thinking for ourselves. There is no longer any excuses now that we have the internet at our fingertips.
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There is no longer any excuses now that we have the internet at our fingertips. I agree. Perhaps you should research the "Homestead Act", the "Morrill Act" and the "Pacific Railway Act". Then think about the country we live in today. Ask yourself: In what ways would the modern country be different had each of these bills not been signed into law by President Lincoln? Edited by CopperCastle
02/22/2015 3:51 pm
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Thanks! I did research on these.
The Homestead Act - One requirement to get the land from the federal government was that you could have never taken up arms against the U.S. government. So this is was another way to trample on the 10th amendment. Everyone that fought for the 10th amendment was not allowed to take advantage of this 'free' land. This of course, would lead to the new settlements being submissive to the federal government, even if it tramples your rights (or your State's rights).
The Morrill Land-Grant - This was another way that Lincoln trampled on the Constitution. The federal government does not have the authority to be involved in education. The 10th amendment limits the powers of the federal government to the powers that it is given in the Constitution.
The Pacific Railway Act - This is by far the worst of the three. Lincoln's pockets were filled with money from the railway corporations. The Pacific Railroad Act of 1862 began federal government grant of lands directly to corporations; before that act, the land grants were made to the states. One of biggest problems in our federal government stem from this act. The politicians care more about benefiting the people who give them the most money, especially corporations.
I am sure that there is much more that is wrong with these acts, but that is what I could think of after just a little bit of research.
Thanks, I learn something everyday!
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Lincoln's pockets were filled with money from the railway corporations. I think your confused. This act provided the railways the resources so that they may pay the laborers long before the project was completed. The transcontinental railroad surely would have failed shortly after beginning without it. Would you work such a dangerous job cutting a trail through the early American frontier for months on end with no pay? Quote:
Lincoln's pockets were filled with money from the railway corporations. Where did you get information that Lincoln received railroad contributions from this? Edited by CopperCastle
02/22/2015 4:08 pm
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United States
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Lincoln was a corporate attorney for the railroad industry before he was president. This is similar to how much of the FDA today is ran by former Monsanto employees. Here is one article I found with a simple google search: http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-po...ar-hollywood |
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Why not reintroduce the dollar coin but put Lincoln on it for good. That will keep some people happy.
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United States
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Why not reintroduce the dollar coin but put Lincoln on it for good. That will keep some people happy. Yeah. You can't please all the people all the time, that is for sure. You would think him being on a $5 bill, having a monument in the capitol for him, having his face carved into a mountain, having the capitol of a state named after him, having the coolest childhood toy created after his life (lincoln logs) and most importantly having historical accurate vampire movies about him would be enough to keep the Lincoln fans happy. |
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The idea of ending the cent is most often bolstered by inflation issues.
Instead of taking a defeatist attitude and slowly removing denominations
one at a time from the bottom, why not fight for a sustainable currency
that is backed by tangible value, and keep the cent? FIAT currency is
the problem, not denominations of coin/currency. Why not jump up and
down demanding the PROBLEM get fixed, instead of insisting on an action
that caters to the problem? Give in on this, and it just gives eternal
(and intentional) inflation credibility. (Google the term "Inflation Tax")
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Oh, and I agree that many people, who's opinions are just as valid as
700 self important cogs in our broken system, would put Lincoln low on
that same list. There are just as many good reasons to despise Lincoln
as there are to laud him. Fact is that no matter how many great things
came from his actions, the ends should never justify the means. He did
hideous damage to liberty itself, in the name of liberty. Sadly ironic.
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I have issued a challenge before...
1. Take all of your receipts from the last month and total them. Call this Total 1.
2. Round the total of each receipt properly to the nearest five cents.
3. Total the rounded receipt totals. Call this Total 2.
4. What is the difference between Total 1 and Total 2? A whole lot of nothing. Your supposition that average receipts would total the same tomorrow, after pricing structures are manipulated to round up more often than round down, as average receipts would total today, is a major flaw in your "challenge". Fact is that you cannot compare receipts from a profit neutral point in time to receipts produced in a time with a profit motive in place to encourage those receipts to read differently. If the argument against the cent is so solid, and if we are doomed to FIAT currency H-E-Double hockey-sticks, rather than fixing the real problem, then the argument is just as strong against ALL denominations below one Dollar. Let's use all this energy that is going into attacking the cent, nickel, dime, half, one Dollar bill, and two Dollar bill, to call out the real problem... I mean, since , we are here wasting our numismatic time and bandwidth talking about politics anyway. Let's push to get Statists and Keynsians out of our government, and preferably put LOTS of them in prison for their crimes against the people! Certainly a more worthwhile endeavor than several small groups squabbling over the merits of each specific denomination. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1208 Posts |
Since I am on a soapbox... what the heck, I'll take issue with the silly title
of this silly thread. Just because Canada has done something, doesn't mean, by
a long shot, that the US should do it! LoL I have a mile long list of examples
of how silly that idea is, but I'll spare you. Have a good night everyone.
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United States
110 Posts |
ratio411,
I like the way you THINK! Unfortunately, thinking is becoming a lost art.
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