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Do You Collect Coins Or Plastic Slabs?

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 Posted 02/16/2015  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why would anyone want to collect coins containing precious metals when they could have plastic and paper?
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 Posted 02/16/2015  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubafuel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I understand the dislike of slabs, but I think the TPGs have done some good things for the hobby in general. Coins in slabs are generally easier to sell, and have a wider audience of collectors than raw coins. They're also good for tracking a coins pedigree. If I'm buying a coin in my series of focus, I don't care whether it's raw, slabbed, messed with, etc. I feel that I can make a good decision regardless. But if I'm starting a new series, I like the third-party opinion.

After I buy a coin I'll often get it slabbed, even though I usually know exactly how it'll grade. Slabs offer good protection from staples, "cabinet friction", and clumsy fingers. They also allow me to sell duplicates more easily.

That said, I'm not a fan of registry competition, or squeezing every last "+" out of a coin's grade. But there's a lot of subtle, messed-with junk out there, and the TPGs have done a lot to move it to the back of the dealer case, where it belongs.

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 Posted 02/16/2015  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scottk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's ok Darth Morgan. Sometimes these highly educated,highly sophisticated numismatists don't understand us little folk.

After all, I'm just an old farm boy...

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02/16/2015 7:39 pm
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I prefer all of my coins raw! I have bought around 8 coins in slabs, but only due to getting them underpriced.



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...neither you nor I nor anyone else is going to drop $1000+ on a 1889cc, 1893s, ... etc without it being slabbed...


I have bought several key-date coins un-slabbed, though definitely NOT for that dollar amount. Not that I want one, but I could pick up a raw 1889CC Morgan for around $500, so paying $5,000 - $25,000 for a slabbed copy doesn't make much sense to me.

I do appreciate that there is less chance (not 100% though)to buy a fake slabbed coin than buying it raw. My mane dislike of slabbed coins is the added prices.
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 Posted 02/16/2015  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chute72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Denco7, I'm with you on this one. And as often as I defend slabs, one might get the mistaken impression that the larger portion of my collection was slabbed.
RedBook doesn't have a separate price for slabbed coins. Most slab collectors don't pay extra for the slab.

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"if are educated on what your are buying and getting it from a reputable dealer why would it matter if the coin is slabbed or not."


I study coins and gain additional knowledge by having one in hand. Thus, I sometimes buy a scarce coin with an unusual feature before being fully educated.
Too, slabs can prove provenance, like a ship wreck or hoard coin.
Sometimes auction pictures are not as good as I would like. Purchase a few key dates in MS condition only to discover upon delivery that they have been cleaned. Then TPG may start to make a little more sense. (Unless you don't mind paying too much for inferior coins.)

When I purchased a house, I had a third party come in and render an opinion. No one suggested I was purchasing an Inspector. Ditto used cars.

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"plastic junk"

In what other forum is it acceptable to degrade other peoples collectables, and refer to them as junk?

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"Hahhahaahajaaajaajaajhaahaaaaaa..."

Does not constructively contribute to an otherwise intelligent discussion.

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The TPG's have done a tremendous lot of good, and we can trace much of the bad to ourselves.

Part and parcel of numismatics is becoming knowledgeable about what you're collecting. This is so fundamental as to go unmentioned, the Machine Language of numismatics defining basic collector actions. The advent of TPG's and slabs does not change this truth, that you must be able to handle and evaluate your coins intelligently. What it's done for some, though, is allowed them to become lazy as people will do. For others, they've created the mistaken initial impression that slabs are an infallible indicator of quality.

Both are numismatic behaviors requiring correction.

You know why typesets are so popular, across all boundaries of specialty? Because they're the toughest goal in coin collecting. You have to learn about everything to do one right.

A slab to me is a suggestion. Nothing else.
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I see both sides of this discussion and I will admit that when I started collecting coins slabs weren't even in the equation; but now that I've been collecting for a while I've switched to slabbed coins for my Classic and Modern registry collections. The reasons being that I'm assured of purchasing the top grades and they are what they say they are ipso facto when buying gold coins I know they are gold. Now don't get me wrong; I do have collections that I've completed that I believe are MS64 or better and they are not slabbed (complete Kennedy, Franklin, Sacagawea , Susan B and Presidential collections to date). Also I've though about grading my Franklins but I changed my mind because I like them in my Dansco Album and they look great as well as my other albums of non slabbed coins. So I see the merits of both arguments and respect both points of views. Let me put it to you this way ...As long as I spend my money and no one is buying my coins for me I will collect what I want and how I want and will respect that with each collector that I come in contact with. Also let me say that you can pay more than you should at times buying raw coins and as with raw or slabbed whatever ones choice you need to do your homework and shop around.
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Thank you BadToTheBone!! I don't post often because I don't want to get bashed for what I collect and how. I just try to learn from people and respect them for collecting coins.
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 Posted 02/16/2015  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@rc57 Thank You Thank You Very Much.....My Best Elvis for you......he he
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I like raw and slabbed coins, but most of my coins are raw. Slabbed coins are a pain to photograph, at least for me they are. I haven't found a satisfactory lighting setup for slabs. . . . yet.
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Darth, light slabs with harsh direct lighting, angled and offet a little more than normal to take the inevitable "bright spot" just barely out of frame. That's important. The slab itself will help with diffusion.
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Sometimes these highly educated,highly sophisticated numismatists don't understand us little folk.

After all, I'm just an old farm boy...


scott-

You started this thread, presumably to start an intelligent conversation as to the place of slabs in today's collecting paradigm. Yet you seem to relish in not adding anything constructive to the conversation save derisive remarks in answer to all that don't agree with " I hate slabs " Why exactly did you start the thread ?

My point was not to be an elitist, but to point out, when I started collecting, the Sheldon scale was not used, coins were graded, gem, choice, BU and combinations thereof. When the Sheldon scale as we know it now, became widely accepted in the 70's, it was the "downfall" of collecting. The presumption that anyone could tell the difference between a MS65 and a MS66 WLH was beyond what true collectors were willing to accept. After all, AU, UNC, Choice UNC, BU, GEM UNC pretty much covered it all.

The Sheldon scale was adopted and even though we all considered the Sheldon scale the lazy man's way to collect, only for those that need someone else to tell them the exact, to the number,condition of their coin. But we all adapted, as we will all have to adapted to the TPG's in the natural evolution of the hobby. You don't have to like it, you don't have to accept it,(you can still find 2X@'s with choice,gem,BU ,UNC on them), you don't have to possess them but they are here and they are becoming widely accepted as a must have among upper echelon coins.

That's about it from me
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02/16/2015 9:59 pm
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Slabbed coins are a pain to photograph

True, dat! Especially hard to photograph slabbed proof coins...
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See? That's one of the good things the TPG's brought about - the requirement to understand grading with sufficient granularity to make their differentiations worthwhile. The creation of the accompanying more-granular pricing structures brought better coins for lesser prices in common grades, making collecting more financially accessible. Like it or not, the post-TPG world will never be like the one before.
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I prefer slabs. I also like my paper money graded by TPG as well. It is not that I can't grade I feel that it protects the coin and bill better than if it was in some flimsy flip. I buy raw too and I will not pay more for TPG coin or bill, but if the same coin was offered for sale at the same price and one was slabbed and the other was not, I would go with the slab 10/10 times.
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