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Hi all Here is another 8 reales columnario that I have acquired. It is supposedly from the shipwreck of the Rooswijk and was undiscovered for over 260 years. As mentioned in my previous post, I am not an expert so I would really appreciate your opinions on this coin. Thanks    |
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Pillar of the Community
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I agree that the coin looks good. The corrosion is uniform on both sides and the edge and the edge priority is good. The edge design is also good. So provided the coin came with an original certificate of authenticity I see little question.
Of course it could be a "perfectly" executed reproduction.
I am really saying I see no clues in the pictures that lead me to suspect it is not genuine.
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Thanks swamperbob I do have a c.o.a. with the coin from the salvage company so everything points to a genuine coin. I am not so certain about another Pillar dollar which I posted about here a couple of weeks ago. I would really appreciate your view whenever you have a spare moment. https://goccf.com/t/201495 |
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Jake68 - Great coin. I'd be interested in the weight of your specimen from the standpoint of how much material has been lost during its long immersion.
Colligo ergo sum
Edited by Lucky Cuss
03/16/2015 6:42 pm
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Hi Lucky Cuss
It is a 38mm coin and weighs 26.36g
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MMMK, sooooo.... I just posted a whole babble, in actuality thinking of the Reijgersdaal rather than the Rooswijk in terms of conservation, etc.! Disregard it if you read it in those 42 seconds it was up!!
It still applies that 26.36g is probably right on the money of what I'd expect out of that preservation. Obviously had little/no wear when it went down... no deep pitting from seawear, just surface-deep porosity on the upper half of the pillar side.
What kind of cert did it come with? Rooswijk material appears with many different shades of remaining patina, so it's a bit hard to ID a given piece as "OOOH, that's definitely Rooswjik" (like you can with some other wrecks). Much of the stuff that comes with the sort of Euro-sized glossy paper with the slanting Print-style font tends to be conserved to bare silver... earlier offerings like in the original Ponterio auction had more tone. all in all, the tone/patination you find varies.
Fairly solid example...
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Hi Jake68,
Could you show the COA and pictures of the entire edge? Does the COA mention anything about the way the coin was cleaned and about removing any corrosion? I would also be interested in the number of laurel leaves on the edge. Thanks in advance.
Regards,
JO3023
Edited by JO3023
03/24/2015 3:56 pm
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Thanks for the great pictures Jake68. I do see similarities between your pillar dollar and the one sold by Sedwick coins ( Item # d011416111004 on http://www.sedwickcoins.com/shipwreck_coins.htm#20 ) At the same time I do see differences, most noticeably the absence of discoloration from the mud or silt ( in Spanish called cieno: http://www.wordreference.com/es/en/...p?spen=cieno ) on your coin. The COA looks very profesional from which I could retrieve two names J.R. (Jim) Heslin Diving Leader and Terry Hiron Dive Surveyor. To the E-mail however the name of Celia Hiron is associated. Apparently she is also linked to Warleggan Holiday Flats, Self Catering Accomodation ( http://www.warleggan.com/ ) I do not know who Celia is. It could be Terry Hiron's wife or more likely daughter. What I noticed furthermore immediately is the date the COA is signed 16/2/15 which is quite recently. So I do not know what to think about this COA to be honest. Again, it looks legitimate but I would not place a bet on it. The salvage company is called Divework. But both Jim as well as Terry were associated to Scillonian Diving Service back in 1964. At present Jim (assuming he still lives) owns Isles of Scilly Underwater Centre: This is the oldest-established diving centre in the islands (being the Isles of Scilly), based on St. Mary's. Hope you find this information useful even though it raises even more questions. But that is how it is with these coins. Saludos, JO3023 Edited by JO3023
03/25/2015 4:30 pm
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Thanks for the extra info Jo
As you say a certificate is a lot easier to falsify than a coin. However I have no reason to doubt the authenticity of either so far and I am confident that I have a genuine piece.
I have also had a positive response from a popular Spanish forum regarding this example which bodes well.
Regarding 'el cieno' or silt, it could be that this coin was in the middle of a roll or stack and was protected by other the coins.
I would definitely buy another similar piece from the same source should the opportunity rise again. However I do have other coins that I am not so sure of!
Saludos
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03/25/2015 4:48 pm
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