Is God Tempting Me?

biokemist6

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Its all wrong from the start.

Including the scenario of 1 dollar bill yechi.

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Josie,

Not sure what's "all wrong from the start."

You think the coin belongs to the church & anything that's found? Does karrlot have to determine the numismatic value of every coin that he finds?
You think the winning lottery ticket belongs to the church?

I guess I am just amazed.

Churches receive many different types of donations. I will use a car that was donated to our church a couple of years ago as an example. The exact value was not known. Simply, what ever it brought was to be given to the church. By your analysis, if a vehicle dealer was a member of this church and offered to buy it for half price so that he could make a profit you would deem this OK because the church does not know the true value? I believe if you can find the person who put the gold coin in the jar, and if it was not a mistake, they would say sell it and let the proceeds go to the church. That would be their right.

The coin and it's value, what ever it is, was given to the church. It is not the pastor's right to determine what happens to it, it belongs to the church as a whole. Josie, you are right, God's work is not to tempt and the tests are there because there is temptation. How we handle them is our trial.
Jim

As for know,for me fundraiser,donations and offering should be drop by the person itself.

Why,for I dont know where he get the money from bad sweat or good sweat of his/her eyebrow.

Granting on yechi scenario about one dollar bill and its amount as the 2nd person entrusted by the 1st person for safe transit of the dollar bill to the box,thats the agreement,entrusting the 2nd person on its safe transit upto the box and the 2nd person accept the responsibilities of that agreement, for me he is the keeper of the bill, but the 2nd person dont own the dollar bill,this is a dollar bill before it goes to the box the gravity is more severe when the dollar bill is already in the box.

As for lending and barrowing,it takes two party one has to barrow and one has to lend,know what do you call the act when the second person spend the dollar bill?,yes he will replace it with same amount but for me its different dollar bill for both dollar bill came from different person and different forms of sweat on their eyebrow,for me its okay to repace it, if it is a regular transaction but not if it is intended for the church,thats why for me its wrong from the start,the 1st person should be the one to drop the bill.

About the winning as other can balance this ,but I will try.

The second person cant buy the ticket without the bill or he decided to spend the bill,win or loss same thing that bill will not be the same.

If it wins, you win it for me its all yours, but what process you been too, as other will tell it to the 1st person its all upto the second person to act or tell that he won.

I personally would pay the church graysheet bid value for the coin. I personally don't know where the line should be, but it's definitely not the same as searching the cash register at a retail job.

Here's thumper for everyone:

You goto church on Sunday (or whatever day you regularly go), the collection plate comes your way, you reach in your pocket and realize the only money you have is a $100 bill. Say you normally donate $10 to $20 per week (or whatever amount you normally donate) and EVERYONE knows how much you donate.

1. Do you donate the entire $100?
2. Do you "make change" in the collection basket?
3. Do you wait until next week and double your normal donation?

gatzdon,

2. "make change" in the collection basket. This is the "accepted norm" in my Synagogue, takes place in front of the Rabbi & congregation, & nobody thinks anything negative of it. Anything that enables you to give, why not? I don't see the dilemma.

No, CPChicago, I've not found out if the coin is real yet. That was kind of my reason for starting this post - I wanted to see if anyone had an opinion on it. I'm going to take it to a dealer this weekend and see if it weighs correctly and what he would offer for it if its real.

Jim,

I don't think your analogy of selling the car is the same. The car is donated as a car. I assume the intent was to sell the car with profits going to the church.

I honestly think this coin was donated as a dime. It was headed to the bank in the jug with no value coming back to the church.

However, I do like your analogy of a car because a car is big, its right out in the open, everyone sees what is going on with it. I think the car analogy would be the same if you said someone donated the car to be sold. A church member notices that the wheels are worth a lot of money. He relizes that buyers won't notice this or care about it. Can he go take the expensive wheels off, put cheap wheels on it, then keep the expensive wheels? Or, is it his duty as a church member to sell those wheels seperatly and ensure all of the money from the donated car gets to the church.

When he's laying on the ground in the parking lot, jacking up car and the person who donated the car comes up and asks what he's doing, does he say "Oh, I'm just taking these expensive ones for myself, and putting on the crappy ones before we sell it."

Yechi,

I think I do have to find the value of any coin I find and give that to the church. If its the right thing to do for the gold coin, then is the right thing to do for a silver coin too, right? Also it must be the right thing to do for a copper coin, as well as the chucky cheese token, the buttons, and the washer.

I can't really just arbitrarily pick a place to draw the line and say - if its over this amount it goes to the church, if its under this amount I get to keep it.

Along those lines - if I see someone digging in the church dumpster and getting out aluminum cans to sell, should I expect them to donate the proceeds?

To gatzdon.

For me is wrong from the start.

As maybe other are aware,that others are preparing their donation before the time others dont.

And I thought their is something about the person going to the box and the box is not going to the person.

For maybe one reason is he will prepare before he go to the box