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 Posted 04/06/2015  01:05 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CCM to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
1. Would you purchase a coin you are aware had been cleaned? (I am excluding whizzed coins which in my opinion have no numismatic value whatever.)

2. To what extent do you feel the value of a coin is affected by its being cleaned?

3. To what extent do you feel a grading service's detail grade will affect the value of a coin (even if you do not agree with the service's assessment that the coin was cleaned)?

4. What percentage of the market price (for dealers, the wholesale price and for collectors the retail price) would you be willing to pay for such a coin if you were going to buy it?

As a collector since 1948 it would be a rare occasion on which I would consider purchasing such a coin, though one which has full details, good color and its original mint luster may be tempting under some circumstances.

I am never certain of what to pay for such coins because there is no established (objective market place) way to measure their worth. This can be quite crucial when buying an expensive coin or for that matter trading a coin with someone or selling a cleaned coin you have purchased because a better example was found.

I would like to hear from others--collectors and dealers alike--about their thoughts and feelings when it comes to purchasing/selling such a coin. Many thanks to all who respond!
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 Posted 04/06/2015  04:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mgillette to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cleaned/Details coins sell all the time, check Heritage auction history or ebay history.
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1: Yes, if it was a coin I felt I "needed". I would even extend that to a "whizzed" coin, or a coin that was holed, corroded or otherwise damaged.

2, 3 and 4: For me, it's not about a "percentage discount", but a "grade discount". I would be prepared to pay two to four full grades lower than the "details" grade market value, depending on the "ugliness" of the cleaning job. For example, an "EF details" coin I would pay the Fine to Good market price, depending on the degree and nature of the cleaning. If the coin's Fine to Good market values equal the bullion value, then I wouldn't pay above bullion for it.

I would also add that "cleaned/damaged coins" are one of the few categories of coins in my collection that I would actively consider purchasing an upgrade for.
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I've been working on a set of coins (back burner at this particular time) that I need enough details to identify the die characteristics, obverse and reverse.
Since this is a "fun" set I accept (almost) anything that's identifiable.
This set is an exception to two of my rules:
-- I accept cleaned coins
-- I accept raw coins.
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I just bought an entire PVC folder 1909-1940 with about 90% of the coins in it... I had to break out the acetone and It left some of the coins with a purplish toning, which would probably get itself an Improperly Cleaned details grade... Also, I just bought a 1922 D Wheat cent fine details improperly cleaned, so I guess as long as I'm able to complete my LWC collection I'm fine with the crappy coins :)
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I do have some "cleaned" coins in my collection, many were purchases by a naive younger me decades ago but my most recent purchase was this.

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I was looking for a high grade Barber half for my 7070 and came across this details proof coin. The cleaning is not excessive as the toning has masked most of it and the proof strike is exquisite. the price was considerably below an AU example so for me it was a solid purchase.
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