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Whizzed Or Just Crazy Bag Marks?

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Still learning the difference. These marks look less random than I would expect for bag damage.


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 Posted 06/08/2015  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thundercoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's whizzed/cleaned for sure. Those long hairline marks all over are a dead giveaway.
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 Posted 06/08/2015  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scropper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say improperly cleaned. Not sure if that's whizzed, usually whizzed has smoother surfaces and the hairlines are much smaller. Not bag marks, either.

I'd say hold out for better, personally.

I SHOULD ADD... Knowing what you're doing and all... If you end up with a later Wheat, Mint State coins CAN have die tooling/polishing marks.

These will be protruding (rather than incuse) lines made in the striking die. The dies were often polished hurriedly and rushed, leaving light hairlines in the die that were transferred then to the coin.

Improper cleaning lines will go into the coin, die polish lines will come out of the coin's field.

That's a very difficult thing to distinguish from cleaning scratches for the untrained eye. I would say see if you can find some cheap '50s wheats that are definitely MS to learn the difference. Or if you have some, see if you can see what I'm talking about. VERY common on coins of the 1950s.
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cleanedDidn't think it was cleaned, I just was worried I would be wrong so I said what everyone else was sayin
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The coin is original and has NOT been cleaned, whizzed, dipped or any thing. those are NOT bag marks either. my guess is it was grossly mishandled early in it's life then protected for over 100 years. JMHO.
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 Posted 06/08/2015  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't think that's cleaned. Looks more like actual scratches. Fyi a whizzed coin will have flat with smooth highpoint decices and will look like someone took a super fine grit belt saner to it. It's used to smooth down large bag marks or many small ones on high focal point device areas
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Cascade is correct, defintely not whizzed. A whizzed coin would look better than this in a photo at the right angle. Agree it looks somehow deliberately scratched.
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Don't think that's cleaned. Looks more like actual scratches.


Agreed. This is damage, not deliberate cleaning. Whizzing doesn't leave hairlines - consider it more a form of polishing than brushing - and the scratches are too deep.
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 Posted 06/08/2015  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverStackerKid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Look at the cartwheel guys, this was not cleaned. Must have been the first parking lot Lincoln.
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It might be over priced even though it's Not cleaned. I would not pay that for it.
Just my Opinion.
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how is that PQ if PQ still means premium quality. That wouldn't be a PQ XF
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In this description, PQ = Poor Quality.
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So definitely a details grade. LOL I need to pull out my books and brush up on grading.
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That's not whizzed, but definitely mishandled and a crap coin.
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 Posted 06/12/2015  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fathead 5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An impaired coin, no doubt.
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