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 Posted 08/28/2015  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, John

neither CA nor RCM loses here.....anyway it overpriced.
Just patience, and many hot like stuff will be sold for "acceptable" amount, and even if not - similar new items will be minted.
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 Posted 08/31/2015  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lostwords to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
GW now have the maple leaf shape coin at $159.99
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 Posted 10/13/2015  02:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Soooooo

been watching this coin, out of the many I compile data on and track.... the coin I am referring to the 2015 Scrooge McDuck silver coin.

First dealers were selling this at 84, weeks later on prices dropped to 77. I had mentioned here that seeing that I would hold off because prices tend to drop once the first initial slash comes from a dealer or ebay.

in this case, dealers are slashing now, now we have two dealers on ebay playing the undercut game, so to speak, because I am sure they both still are making good money,, but here is the tally in drops

84 dropped to 77, now the 77's have given way to 68-69. I feel really bad for anyone who bought these at higher levels ugh.

Two observations on this coin also-

1- prices are moving hard and fast lower, they will continue to drop hard. I saw a recent ebay auction where two went for an average of 62 dollars. 2-I think ebay auctions will follow lower.

I still want this coin but it has to go lower before I will bite. HOWEVER, it never FAILS.. once a dealer starts cutting prices on a coin, months later another reductions follows and after more time another reduction follows until the dealer finds the right price where the public finally starts buying. For that reason I will continue to hold out.
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 Posted 10/13/2015  06:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great tracking, Yup and congrats for not jumping on it, when released.
And this is true for almost all coin, which is not "hot".
"Disney" is already long played coins theme....10K of Steamboat Willy was enough, all other characters were wanted "here and there".

Enjoy it (and the price), when finally you will buy the coin.
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 Posted 10/13/2015  07:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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once a dealer starts cutting prices on a coin, months later another reductions follows and after more time another reduction follows until the dealer finds the right price where the public finally starts buying


There is no such thing as a price point where the public starts buying. If the public is not interested in a coin it does not matter how low the price goes. This situation is exacerbated by the endless number of coins issue by the RCM and other mints.
With the so many coins pumped out by the Mints, you can't even keep track of them. Coins issued just a few months ago are quickly forgotten as new ones take their place.
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 Posted 10/13/2015  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I disagree MoneyPenny, dealers do indeed reduce prices on coins until they find the right price where the public starts to come in to buy a coin until they sell out of their inventory.


Again, dealers slash and slash and slash on coins that they have a glut in until the public starts biting to buy and that in turn leads to the coin selling out from that dealer.

I have been compiling data on enough coins for enough years to know this is fact.

Everything in this hobby is about supply and demand... what price point does a coin get demand going. If a coin is too high and the dealer is sitting on a glut, dealers move to cut prices until they see actually buying, they know how to find the sweet spot so to speak where the public says "hey at this price I dont mind buying it".

The one thing we do and can agree on is that there is a ton of supply out there. However, people love bargains and if its "cheap enough" in their eyes, they will buy it even if they need it.
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10/13/2015 1:47 pm
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 Posted 10/14/2015  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How about bullion value, ie. Olympic coins, baseball, pan am etc
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 Posted 10/14/2015  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I disagree MoneyPenny, dealers do indeed reduce prices on coins until they find the right price where the public starts to come in to buy a coin until they sell out of their inventory.



Local coin shops always carry inventory. Otherwise they will have an empty store. They have coins that range from more than 100 years old to recent NCLT and they all sell at issue price or current market value.

Big dealers like Gatewest coin never reduce its prices until they sell out. Canadian Coin and Currency have sales sometimes. Colonial Acres does get rid of excess inventory with its monthly sales and auctions. And many other dealers have sales but few of them reduce prices until they sell out.

Dealers on ebay are a different matter. Some of them are just flippers so they reduce price to get rid of coins.
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 Posted 10/16/2015  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have noticed dealer coins are mostly near issue, sometimes with a &10 discount from issue. I've never found coins at dealers like the discounts on ebay. It seems like all the discounts are on ebay. Yes colonial does discount coins with imperfections with packaging.

Which leads me to comment by a US collect who grades all coins. He feels that Canadians are hung up with collecting packaging along with coins. Where the US collector doesn't place as much emphasis on packaging. He says the US collector is more concerned with coin quality.
Any comments to the different styles.

I like to get the complete packaging, otherwise it feels like something is missing. I also like it to be pristine. Its probably an ocd collector thing. Yet I seldom look at the box, and some are the black beauty box !
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 Posted 10/17/2015  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@moneypenney

so are you calling Silvertowne a flipper then?
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 Posted 10/17/2015  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A dealer like silvertowne has like a 30.00 markup and the US dollar advantage to boot, after a commissioned coin bombs they just discount and destroy the marketplace. It's a flawed marketing system of the RCM. Silvertowne is a flipper but a large one aided by the goofy RCM marketing.
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 Posted 10/18/2015  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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From MoneyPenny: Dealers on ebay are a different matter. Some of them are just flippers so they reduce price to get rid of coins.



Another category
: older collectors reducing price to get rid of their coins...


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 Posted 10/18/2015  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would anyone buy any NCLT if almost all of them are half value overnight if you had to sell, that's basically what the RCM has done by their over production.
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 Posted 10/19/2015  09:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Would anyone buy any NCLT if almost all of them are half value overnight if you had to sell, that's basically what the RCM has done by their over production.


this is right.
People, still buy from the Mint, but just really something unique and limited mintage items, which could be sold out fast (example: Loony and 50c big coins)

Two years ago we had here discussion, what will be impact of annually production of 300 NCLT different coins, and here it is...

Not only RCM, the coins-like items come from everywhere with increased rate. New Mints, new series.
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 Posted 10/19/2015  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was a stamp collector by heart, nothing beats a perfect block of 50 cents bluenose as example then Canada Post in the 1990's produced so many issues they destroyed the hobby, just exactly the same route the RCM is going. You can't treat new collectors by seeing 6 months old coins being constantly offered for 30 to 50% discounts.so far other than the big coin series I have bought nothing from the RCM, even having second thoughts about this series if the rumours are true of a stupid coloured version next month
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