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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Buyer's pictures are typical for a lower MS PL or DPL Morgan and are not an "apples to apples" vs. the seller's photos (which have definitely been worked.) I submit the following example (1881-S, PCGS MS-64 DMPL w/green CAC): Those are some exceptional mirrors on that '81-S Paralyse, when did you submit it? |
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United States
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I kind of wish coins would authentically look like this in real life. Oh they do, just not very many of them, and when they are offered at auction or retail, they tend to bring really big money. Like 5 figure big money or more of course depending on the date/mm. See the Wayne Miller or Jack Lee collections. I've owned a few coins pre TPG from New Orleans (common dates) that would have probably gone MS66DMPL or better today, out of 4 bags (4,000 coins) 1883 and 1884 I think there were less than 15 total DMPLs that would grade MS65 or better, many MS65PL's and lesser grades. That was back around 1984/5. I too think the photos are juiced, but he does have a 14 day return privilege, so if you win the coin and it stinks, in comparison to the sellers photos you can return it, but if you do be sure to shoot some photos and post them here. I'm inclined to think this coin is MS62/63 without the over done lighting. These look very much like the "California Proofs" or "California Specials" that circulated and fooled many dealers for years. Though I'm inclined to believe this is all in the photo/lighting set-up not at all how the California Proofs were made. (That's a story for a separate thread). The TPGs finally put a stop to them in 1986. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Canadian, it's not one of my coins. It's from a recent auction catalog. I only have one DMPL (an 1880/9-S in PCGS MS63DMPL) and can't do nearly as well as those pictures with my old camera and poor lighting!
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Westcoin, California proofs were those ones with painted frost correct?
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United States
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I purchased a coin from this seller before. It was nothing like what I was hoping and expecting. I returned the coin, and left negative feedback due to the misleading pictures and description. ebay deleted my negative feedback, claiming that since I got my money back, I had no bone to pick with the seller. Typical. Rob. |
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Westcoin, California proofs were those ones with painted frost correct? The coins were polished with a high speed drill, like a dentist drill or Dremel, then dipped in a solution of cyanide or similar, sometimes wax was applied to the relief areas and the coin was either etched with a chemical or spray painted to make a frost look. Then the wax was removed. It was pretty darn convincing, I've seen a couple, so much like the photos, depicted here, though they had little to any marks, in hand where as these coins would look very different in hand, I'd wager, with lots of bagmarks and scuffs. The California Proofs were very deceptive, it took until PCGS came along to shut them down, don't think anyone got called on doing them outright, but a few dealers had suspicions. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I tend to agree with the crack-out theory. I found an MS61PL coin this seller recently purchased and I'm waiting for them to post an auction to sell it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Dave,
From the sellers altered photos it will be hard to identify any coin that he sells from a previous photo.
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Rest in Peace
United States
10625 Posts |
It's not a common date in PL.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Very interesting thread!  |
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Canadian, it's not one of my coins. It's from a recent auction catalog. I only have one DMPL (an 1880/9-S in PCGS MS63DMPL) and can't do nearly as well as those pictures with my old camera and poor lighting! My mistake, It's an incredible looking example. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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California Special 1880/9 S with White Paint. It appears that the seller got a little careless with Photo Shop touch up on this GEM.   |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
12057 Posts |
That's not the the super-duper-ultra-rare "Stars Floating On Water" variety?
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
12057 Posts |
Mine's jealous. She only wishes she could be a California Girl. Or maybe not.  I wonder what kind of magic tricks that seller could do on mine, could he make it a nice MS68DMPL for me? ;) (Coin is not for sale, not now, or ever, so no worries.) Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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United States
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You should get that professionally imaged, paralyse. I'm sure it's a stunning coin in it's own right, and would present as such if accurately photographed. I love DPL's/DMPL's with a touch of toning on the edges.
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