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Top Coin Types (Greek Edition)

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Always looking for new and interesting coins to collect, and we all have certain coins that we feel are a must have in our collections.

We are running this with 4 different categories. Roman, Greek, Medieval and Miscellaneous (Celtic, Barbaric, Byzantine etc)


Each person should enter 3 coins of their choice (but I think we should only enter coins that can be had for under $300 since most people can't be affording gold coins of Julius Ceasar etc) trying not to repeat selections other have made. Entries to be in by this time next week. Then we can have a week of voting (it won't be easy but I am suggesting we each choose 5 coins in our order of preference) We will be voting for the coin type rather than the specific example coin... (10 points for 1st, 8 for 2nd, 5 for 3rd, 2 for 4th and 1 for 5th place)

Greek coins are my favourite, such varied designs and some very pretty coins from large silver to tiny with each city seeming to have its own symbols and style.


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 Posted 09/04/2015  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will leave a few of my favourites for the others (turtles, tetradrachms, owls etc) and just take the first really obvious one - the Corinthian Pegasus. The Pegasus
is really a classic symbol of ancient myth and legend and was actually the result of archaic people discovering dinosaur bones for crested varieties of dinosaurs. They could tell the skeletons made a quadruped and assumed the extra bones of the crest must be wings so assumed it was the remains of a winged horse.

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My second choice is this coins from Thrace, Messembria with the Corinthian helmet. I am not sure why it appeals to me so much but from the second I saw the design I knew I had to have one of them.
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Last is my Hekte with a cows head. It is always nice when you buy a coin and a week later you see one for sale at nearly 3 times what you paid... but that's what happened with this one. Its quite a small coin but combines some of the features I like most about the early coins... the image inside the incuse square and that the image is a part of wildlife (in this case the head of a calve) something that has changed little in the many years since it was stuck.
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Ptolemy III
246-222 BC
AE Tetraobol
36mm x 441.1 grams


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Alexander III
315-294 BC
AR Tetradrachm
27.7mm x 16.27 grams
Posthumus issue.

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Attalos I Pergamon
215-197 BC
AR Tetradrachm
Mysia mint
28.5mm x 16.28 grams
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Ron beat me to the punch...I was starting to give this some thought and gather up some images...and a big, fat Ptolemaic tet was definitely my starting point, and an Alexander III issue was number two...I'm totally on board for those two, Ron!
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 Posted 09/04/2015  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, I'll add three more...

A favorite type for me...used to own a nice one: A Dionysos-type tet from Thasos, this one c.168 - 148 BC...
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A turtle has to be included on this thread, although I suppose only lower grades will cost less than $300. From Attica, an AR stater from c. 480 - 457 BC...
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And seems like there should be a Seleucid represented, either one of those Antiochos or Demetrios guys. Here's a Demetrios I Soter tet, 162 - 150 BC...
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well, this bring up a good question. what is a greek coin? if it has a greek legend and wasn't minted under roman rule? does it have to be from the mediterranean area?

beats me.

i pulled out my copy of collecting greek coins by john anthony, he has a section called "the east under hellenistic influence". he would consider these coins at least tangentially greek, and so do i.... I think.



indo-greek

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antialcidas nikephorus
130-90 bc
o: zeus, thunderbolt, greek legend
r: caps of the dioscuri, palm branches, monogram, kharosthi legend.
19 mm
8.1g

parthian


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orodes i
80-77 bc
O: bust of orodes
r: archer enthroned, greek legend
20 mm
4.0 g


back to tradional "greek coins....how about archaic greeks.

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mysia, kyziko
diobol
5th century bc
o: boar and tuna
r:lion in incuse square
11 mm
1.2 g
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Great coins, Chris, and you raise a very good point pertaining to the Indo-Greek and Parthian examples. I was expecting that the Greek-influenced Eastern cultures would fall under David's "miscellaneous" category, but it is sort of an either/or situation, isn't it? In the case of the Parthians, they were neither Greek nor Persian (they were actually descendants of a nomadic subgroup of the Dahaeans from east of the Caspian Sea), so figuring out how to categorize their coins has always been a challenge for coin dealers and scholars. There is no standard.
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Personally I would have put the Parthian and Indo-greeks into the Miscellaneous category (the fourth thread) along with things like Byzantine, Indian, etc

If we say that Greek coins are those minted under the city states of the Mediterranean area, independent of Rome (whether under their control or not) then that would give us a good idea what to aim at.

Otherwise that 4th thread is going to be pretty dull ^^



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Must have greeks from my own collection:

Tetradrachm of Alexander the Great
Mint: Arados (324-320 BC); 17.16g / 27mm
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Satraps of Caria Maussollos 14mm, 3,5gr
Drachm B.C. 357 - 353 Laureate head of Apollo three-quarter facing to right, Zeus Labraundos standing right, holding double axe (labrys) and lotus-tipped sceptre, SNG Cop 591

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Griffin Drachm from Abdera 2.41g. 16mm
AR drachm of international tetrobol standard, 365-350 BC.
Magistrate Pythokleos. ABDH-RITEWN above and beneath griffin recumbent left / EPI P-UQO-KL-EOS clockwise within linear border around head of Apollo right.
May 550: AMNG Thrace 169; Wiczay 2250.




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 Posted 09/05/2015  07:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coins everyone,

Dutch - feel free to add another if you like since we already have an Alexander III tetradrachm.

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Oh I'm sorry, here is an other favorite:

Lysimachus. 305-281 BC. AR
Tetradrachm (16.24 gm, 29mm). Abydos mint. Struck
early-mid 3rd century BC. Diademed head of the
deified Alexander right / Athena Nikephoros seated
left; to inner left, eagle standing right.

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Really beautiful coins, Dutch...you have an outstanding collection of Greeks. I have to admit I did a bit of a double-take when looking at the Zeus Labraundos reverse of coin #2. I thought, "Is this guy holding a scepter, or is he just REALLY happy to be in Dutch's collection?"
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All really great coins so far... and so far lots of heavy silver tets which are lovely coins in hand.

I think Bob's turtle is my favourite, thought for less than $300 you get one like mine which is not as beautiful as his.

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I had totally forgotten that I do have one greek coin in my collection - this drachma of Alexander. I admired his exploits so much in my youth that I read the history of Alexander's life at least twice, and I honored that by getting this one coin.

If anybody can attribute it, specifically where it was minted, I would really appreciate it.

sorry about this very poor picture - it was taken with my old camera.


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Haha Bob you really made me laugh :D I'm sure its a scepter but with a little imagination.. ;-)
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Haha Bob you really made me laugh :D I'm sure its a scepter but with a little imagination.. ;-)

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Yeah, Dutch, seems Zeus is standing at attention, alright. At the risk of taking this thread into the gutter...it reminds me of the statue of William Penn atop the city hall in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (where I was born and raised). Penn's right hand is outstretched in a gesture of peace:
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But then there is the main view of Penn, as seen from the Benjamin Franklin Parkway, the huge avenue in downtown Philly that leads to City Hall...if you've seen the movie Rocky you know this perspective:
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As you drive along the Parkway toward City Hall and look ahead, here's what you see (it's kind of hard to miss...pardon the pun):
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