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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I think we are a bit too critical. If there's no sale, then we complained there's no sale. If there's a sale, we complained the sale either not big enough or now we complain the sale is only for coins no one wants. These dealers have no obligation to put stuffs on sale. Why would any dealers want to put stuffs on sale? It's to help clear their inventory. I hope none of you were looking for the MC Silver Dollar in this Sale or any other sales unless the coin tank
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Pillar of the Community
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Maybe its collectors who have contributed to the vicious low price circle by waiting for lower prices. We all desire a bargain, but when too many bargains abound, then the prices just keep falling. Coupled with too many issues. Many of these low demand coins would of been desirable, if there was less competition. The mint needs to go back to quarterly releases. This way a person had 3 months to enjoy their coin, before other issues competed for attention. I bet back then there was little talk about low demand coins. Nowadays there is so much selection, it has devalued even a decent coin.
The talk has switch from how much profit I can make to how cheap I can get the coin. Occasional bargains are great, but when it becomes the norm it hurts everyone. Prices are dropping, as collectors have become savvy waiting for a discount. This works well for the individual, but not when the masses do it. It forces the prices down across the board. It becomes problematic when the initial supplier, the mints, fail to lower their issue price. So have we collectors added to the problem by expecting lower secondary pricing.
Edited by pocket change 50 01/04/2016 12:44 am
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Pillar of the Community
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How can collectors be the reason to blame for the RCM to allow so many commissioned coins on endless reused themes, when they tank the dealers just dump and destroy the market, and scare away future collectors. These are strictly RCM management decisions to overproduce and simple greed, no collector can possibly expected to own just all the 1 oz. coins alone, over 300 issues maybe 4 to 5 is holding value and 1 unit by pure mistake due to its mc distribution seems to be above issue. Most of us collect not to get rich, we like themes or designs but we do not want to see coins six months at 40 to 50% less.
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Pillar of the Community
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I agree with Lost words, it seems as collectors lately few are satisfied. What has changed in the past few years. Are we spoiled by all the discounts on recent releases. Any discount years ago would be welcomed with open arms, now it seems, only 40-50% off matters. Starting in 2012 it was a race to get mint direct, so to get a coin at issue. We felt lucky to get a coin at issue. Nowadays, most have become bargain hunters. What will the next switch be. There does seem to be a lag with the world mints. It seems more like burn out has hit, as there appears to be a fair amount of discontent. There are many beautiful coins getting discounted. There must be multiple factors at play.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: f there's a sale, we complained the sale either not big enough or now we complain the sale is only for coins no one wants. These dealers have no obligation to put stuffs on sale. That's truth. They clear inventory, our choice to buy or not. What always was to me strange to observe: when people buy the stuff just because it for sale. It's actually for everything, but while some other items could be used, the "un-popular" coin has no use at all. Thanks, Lostwords, for the reminding about Zodiac coins...I miss only the 2015, so will wait a year more to get 2015 + 2016 discounted.
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
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Quote: ...but while some other items could be used, the "un-popular" coin has no use at all. I find this type of statement to be disrespectful to other collectors and harmful to the hobby in general. Just because a particular coin is not one that you would purchase, it doesn't automatically make it of "no use at all." Every collector has their own interests that drive what they collect. IMO, none should be insulted for the choices that they make.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote: Just because a particular coin is not one that you would purchase, it doesn't automatically make it of "no use at all." No, Commems. Let's say, I haven't said it clearly. Probably, almost every coin fail into the range of interest of some collector. But if coin "X" not in the scope of the Collector_1, the same collector has no use of this coin, and doesn't meter, that Collector_2 will think about this coin as "a great find". And if Collector_1 didn't buy it (coin "X" because it out of scope of interest) for $100, but paid the $50, because "well, it really bargain, why not" - this is not collecting, but picking up whatever is discounted. That was the idea.
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Canada
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Agreed. There is no unpopular coin or "no use at all." coin. That's why the worldwide mints have expanded their offerings. To each their own.
What does it matter to the "mint" (any mint). A certain selection does not sell well. They only produce a fraction of the run and then OMG it's a "hit" - back order them.
Then the coin/ series falls flat on it's butt due to the time element
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: Agreed. There is no unpopular coin or "no use at all." coin. Didn't think that it will be understood globally. Or someone wants to say, that every NCLT coin has a use personally to him / her?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I collect coins that appeal to me. I don't only scout out the hot coin. I do have a few, mainly because I like them. I also have many so called unpopular coins, like Gr of 7 set, too me they are outstanding. Its a shame they aren't more appreciated!!
What makes a hot coin anyway. Plus tastes change over time. Look at how the 2009 summer moon mask and 2010 sun coins are now sought after. Trends change all the time. Now with so many markets, no coin truly stands out anymore.
The main thrust is a collector doesn't want to see his coin drop in price drastically in a span of just a few months. If its going to dive in price it should take a decade. As it takes several work hrs to be able to afford one. Often we have given up purchasing some other pleasurable item. As a life long bargain hunter, I feel like an idiot, when I find I've overpaid for a product. There's no pleasure in feeling like a chump. Coins hold different meanings to different people. Id never put down any coin, just because no one is raving about it. Even the so called popular coins soon are forgotten in this current market. the attention span really does seem short these days.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: As a life long bargain hunter, I feel like an idiot, when I find I've overpaid for a product. There's no pleasure in feeling like a chump. Don't be so hard on yourself. I'm sure many of us have felt that to some degree, but at this point, with all the recent price slashing, I can't help pondering the word "scam" by those who value profit over integrity.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks @Looney I know I'm in good company, and luckily its only a few coin sets I purchased mint direct that have dropped. Thanks to Yup, I started to drastically cutback on mint direct purchases, it could of been much worse. I only have 8 2015 purchases. My reason for buying mint direct, was to get at issue price with free ship. There was a time it was cheaper to buy mint direct. I like how the US mint does adjust its price when spot falls. The feedback loop has been slow to respond with most mints. I go back and read threads prior to 2013 and it was a totally different perspective. I think its fair to say most collectors are more astute and careful in their purchases. This will lead to a healtheir hobby in the future.
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Pillar of the Community
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The only time the RCM will make any good changes with decreased mintage and fewer offerings is when their dealer network starts to order less for inventory, just go to a local Canada Post outlet they are full of 8 to last years offering and most has stopped ordering. We have had a few surveys from RCM and I have met some of the big wigs at the last few RCNA shows, they just don't care, you don't buy, someone else will. Hopefully with the big dealers beginning to have these sales, is the first signs for the RCM to change policies to help the marketplace.
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These comments are no different than those made from the early 1990s, when RCM double dollar sets of the the 1980s and Montreal Olympic sets were easily obtained for 50% less of issue price... such is the nature of the beast for mass produced items to a limited market.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote:The only time the RCM will make any good changes with decreased mintage and fewer offerings is when their dealer network starts to order less for inventory, Totally agree with that.
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