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So according to their website The Auction Network can have up to 3 auctions a week but usually run on Wednesdays and Sundays with up to a 1000 items in each auction. Where do they get all their stock? Is this just a lot of leftover RCM stuff that the mint couldn't sell? I know they say they deal with collections but to turn over so much stock week after week makes me wonder what sort of hordes of coins are waiting in the wings. I understand places like Colonial Acres getting collections in - that's part of their business and they too are selling through icollector - but they are not hosting nearly as many sales.
Is there really that much NCLT sitting on the sidelines that it can make up a good part of a business model over time? Just wondering.
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 Posted 01/17/2016  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
link please?
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 Posted 01/17/2016  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Auction Network sells through icollector each week.

Have you ever noticed the incredible amount of NCLT listed on ebay as well? Between ebay, kijiji, Auction Network and the unsold inventory at dealers, far more than the market can ever absorb.

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 Posted 01/17/2016  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aghawk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At auctions I pick up what I want when the price is right and I'm happy that it's usually way under issue price. Last year I picked up some other stuff at what I thought was really good pricing thinking I could resell some at a reasonable price. That's something I am rethinking this year - I'm having trouble moving items at 1/3 issue price . . . it seems more people are offering me melt value, which I think is ridiculous considering what the items sold for originally. I'm going to be much more selective this year about purchases - hopefully sometime in the next 5 years the price of silver goes up and it's a shame to think that these coins will be going for melt at a higher price and that whatever "numismatic" value they had is not relevant.
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I've been scared off of buying through auctions for 2 reasons. How to accurately adjust for buyer premiums and how to figure out the shipping costs. Are there really any bargains when all the extra fees are added in. Its the nice thing about ebay, its very upfront. I did run across a couple ebay items stating they were part of a normal auction, with buyer fees. I wonder how that works. I thought regular auctions are more fore high grade circulation coins.
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 Posted 01/17/2016  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes aghawk you make a valid point. Problem is it seems people are mostly interested in buying what they hope to be hot new releases and what was issued by RCM in prior years is much like yesterday's news. For example Coin X from 2009 sold out - even if it was originally purchased by 10,000 proud new owners, as time goes by they begin to sell for a variety of reasons, financial difficulty, lose interest, divorce, estates, etc. It's not realistic that 10000 people be standing in the shadows waiting to become new owners of an old NCLT 2009 coin that most people wouldn't know or even remember exists. Therefore the excess sits on the market.

Circulated coin, for example silver, is somewhere different because it's discontinued. But RCM keeps churning more and more NCLT into the marketplace. That's why I think it's a good thing when some get melted.
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 Posted 01/17/2016  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aghawk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I always count the auction fee before hand. Many of the auctions I go to are local to me (southern ontario) and are usually live estate auctions. Of course at many there are a large number of "coin guys" there - I don't consider myself one of them so many times I am outbid as they are willing to go much higher than I am. Sometimes though I'm able to get on the right side of a bid and manage to get something at a decent price. On a few occasions over the last two years I managed to score an item that was overlooked. At one I managed to get pre 67 silver at 2x face value . . . sadly it was only $2 worth||
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 Posted 01/17/2016  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pocket change, yes there can be bargains but as you mention it's very important to read the terms and conditions and know there's additional costs beyond the high bid price. Auction sites post their items quite some time in advance and have a search function so prospective buyers are able to preview. Often the photos are not very good however and winning items can't be returned. Therefore what one might think is a bargain may not prove to be so. I sometimes follow Canadian auctions on icollector and have bought a few things. Depending on the location of the actual auction, the shipping cost is calculated after the auction is over, based on total weight/distance and I've always found it to be fair. ....my experience only.
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 Posted 01/17/2016  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Due to their location it could have some deals with the larger coin stores around the GTA, since most common Nclt dealers seems to be only offering bullion or slightly better. A outfit like Canadian Coin wouldn't want to risk their special relationship with the RCM and sell previous NCLT at large discounts, this would be a nice venue to offload these purchases, just assuming, this auction has a boat load of coins lately.
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 Posted 01/17/2016  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I always count the auction fee before hand.



Yes, that's the secret! Be disciplined and decide the maximum amount one is willing to pay in advance, deduct the buyers premium and another $30 or so if you want it registered mail, what's left will be your maximum bid. If the auction/s are won on your lower bid, well that leaves money in your pocket.
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 Posted 01/17/2016  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aghawk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also, if there are coins that are .999 as I understand they are not supposed to be subject to HST - however not all auctioneers abide by that and when questioned have their own set of reasons - so I always check first if there are those types of coins that I may win. 13% is not a small chunk of change sometimes.
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I'd speculate Auction Network is connected with the "We'll Buy Your Silver!" crew that rolls across the country from town to town. I recall seeing a local ad again not too long ago, regardless of low silver prices, there's still opportunity for them especially in the estate business and poor economy particularly if dealers are also overstocked.

I've followed their auctions for quite a few months now and I notice a lot of the stuff just does not sell, not always because the reserve bid is too high but because of low demand. If items don't sell in a few rounds of auctions, maybe then it's get sold for melt? Just a thought...
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 Posted 01/17/2016  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alex A to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Keep in mind that a lot of items do not sell because the reserve is not met, and these roll over into a future auction.
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 Posted 01/17/2016  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aghawk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was wondering about the "We'll Buy your Silver" people as well - though I suspect they would get a wider variety of items than what the Auction Network seems to sell. Also, I think the Auction Network used to run live auctions in smaller centres around Tornoto - Milton, Stratford, etc. and they always had the same range of items - coins, hockey cards, group of seven editions, etc. Went to one of their auctions years ago and I was not impressed - very high pressure, bids quick and confusing and although I can't prove it I'm fairly certain they had shills planted in the audience catching bids higher.
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Sounds like it is best to be bidding in person, so to avoid defects like fingerprints and other things. A person would also save on the postage. The additional taxes along with buyers fees, makes it an arena for the experienced auction goer. Aghawk great to hear you did get a few bargains, I didn't think there would be a lot of competition in local auctions.

I like watching the live bidding on the web, for entertainment occasionally. Much like I enjoyed horse auctions in years past.

I would think all the extra fees would leave little room for resale profits.
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