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1967 $20 Gold Coin - How Many Left?

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 Posted 01/19/2016  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes that's true there have been spikes. But these sets were not bought for bullion value - heck in that era I can recall it's wasn't extraordinary to see men with gold fillings on their teeth! So I'd be very surprised if the majority of owners watched for spikes in gold prices, waiting to sell. It probably never occurred to the average owner that the coins had value greater than $20 unless they were active in bullion markets. It was simply a souvenir set of a past event, during a time when it was a habit to hoard a lot more old stuff than most of us do today,

As aghawk mentioned, it would be more likely if they became part of an estate and either got appraised or outright sold or dumped . But I'm not convinced in 50 years that fate was met by 75%.
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If you were not a collector and you were left this set what are you going to do with it, at Canadian Coin a few times watched many people bring in all kinds of sterling silverware and gold chains everything to be sold by weight. Although this 67 gold coin has a classic design they are common use to see Toronto area shows were many dealers would have 5 gallon pails full of mid 60 silver dollars going to refiners.
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Sure, many people might sell it. Others might keep it, understanding the value of asset diversification.

And 1967 was 50 years ago. It's reasonable that anyone above the age, say 10 years old was familiar with the Centennial at the time their family might have bought or was gifted one or more sets as original owner/s. There's no way 75% of the people in those families aged 60 to 80 are now no longer living. However I might be convinced that up to half of the gold $20 have by now been melted.
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I've been thinking about getting one of these for a while. There's a coin show this weekend in west Toronto, maybe I'll take the plunge and finally pick one up.

Any advise on what I should be looking for?
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A nice one with a heavy Cameo and no hairlines or Red spots (copper bleed) is what you should look for. With gold reapproaching all time highs in Canadian dollar terms ($1600) expect to pay full gold plus a few points.
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Thanks Pacificoin for the info about copper bleed. One of my 67 $20's has this and I wondered what it is. Copper bleed makes sense as the coin is 10% copper.
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You can find the sets on ebay for around $1,000. Some Canadian dealers are selling for $950-$1,000. Check their websites or call for pricing.
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 Posted 01/20/2016  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's basically a bullion value coin, unless as mentioned it has great eve appeal it will remain a bullion value coin like most gold coins mintage just too high. Just to add depending where you purchase you will incur HST of some form.
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I am partial to this coin - I think it has a really nice classic design


It is the same design (and almost same size) as the nickel 50c coin, yet so many people don't bother to collect 50c coins beyond 1967...
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But they do collect the ones from 1959 to 1966. Larger planchet and made of silver could just be the reason.
Too bad the pinheads at the mint back in the day did not keep the coin the same size and made it out of copper nickel or a much softer alloy than pure nickel.. Would be a far different story today. Halves really did circulate at one time especially here on the west coast.
Also it does not help when today the coin is essentially NCLT and not available for face value.
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yet so many people don't bother to collect 50c coins beyond 1967...



Interesting point to ponder. Personally I think people holding silver collections with any thought of passing it down to younger generations would be very wise to continue at least one or more denominations into present times.....even if it's obtained by way of uncirculated sets.

In my opinion it's the recipients personal memories associated to the year of coins, as opposed to what they're made from, that becomes the connection, "the hook", that leads further down the path of numismatic interest in general.
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Agreed. I like the 50 cent pieces as well and have a humble start on a pre 68 set. Fortunately came into a perfect set of 68 to present set of 50 cent pieces at an auction last year and it is too bad that the coin sizes are not consistent from silver to nickel.
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 Posted 01/20/2016  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aghawk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess getting back to one of my original questions that started this thread I'm supposing that even if 80% of the original 334,000 1967 $20 coins have been melted (something that can't be verified one way or another) - that still is not a low enough number to cause this coin to gain any numismatic value. Would that be the case?
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This coin was like one of the first NCLT, even at 10% remaining that's 33,000 recent gold issues of 1 oz. coins rarely sells but mintage 600 or less, there is just very little demand, but good luck you will be able for sure in time to cherry pick a really nice example.
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I agree with low demand. A couple factors I suppose - the past and present price of gold determines it's fairly high value already and it's not old enough to be considered truly historical. However if it's is ever to peak in numismatic interest in the near future that will happen next year with the 150th Centennial. One of the things I've learned by current event coins that I now try to avoid, be it millenniums, flags, olympics, anniversaries, whatever is they only hold appeal for that very limited period of time or when another similar event occurs.

But even lower grades Canada $5 and $10 gold coins 1912-1914 generally are priced higher than bullion value......whats the difference? I'd guess the historical aspect and their increased awareness due to release of the hoard?
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