2015 P Mohawk Sac Dollar Doubled Die Reverse / DDR ?

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comdewah New Member United States 41 Posts	Posted 02/28/2016 8:20 pm I finally got better close up pics of the reverse of this 2015 P Sac dollar. Shown are what looks like doubling I took close ups of and a part where there are two raised spots that are not on a regular coin of this year. Opinions appreciated. I have many of these coins that look the same. This is the area the close ups are of. There are close ups further down of this area. There are areas here looks unusual layered over. Red arrows pointing. Edited by comdewah 02/29/2016 02:50 am Report this Post to the Staff

John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 02/29/2016 04:53 am Great pics. Could some of that be from a die clash? John1 Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 02/29/2016 11:43 am What ever it is, it is too minor. When you can't tell what it is on from the images (because it is so minor) a variety collector would just pass it by. When you get too close, even nothing can look like something. Report this Post to the Staff
comdewah New Member United States 41 Posts	Posted 02/29/2016 3:30 pm When you get too close, even nothing can look like something. I agree but putting most of the pics aside and looking at the two raised spots circled in yellow. These can easily be seen with a 5X loupe and with 20/20 vision (which I don't have, lol) can be seen. These two spots are not part of the design and I was curious (giving close ups and different angle shots) what could have caused this. I have many like this from the same box. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 02/29/2016 7:04 pm I just down loaded the U.S. mint images and they don't show that area clearly enough to show if something should/shouldn't be there. Report this Post to the Staff
comdewah New Member United States 41 Posts	Posted 02/29/2016 10:06 pm I bought three boxes of 2015 Sac Mohawk dollars (500 P AND 250 D) from the mint and out of 750 there were approximately 80 with this anomaly from the P mint. Try this site for a close up of the reverse. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe..._reverse.jpg Edited by comdewah 02/29/2016 10:12 pm Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/01/2016 5:31 pm That is an image from the U.S Mint. The same one I have. The glare is too much to tell what is going on with that design. Here are a few overlays: The hair would be the only thing touching that area and an overlay doesn't show it making contact in that area? Edited by coop 03/02/2016 12:44 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Kevin43 Valued Member United States 252 Posts	Posted 03/02/2016 01:04 am Could you please take a picture of the whole coin,it might give us some idea if it is from Die Deterioration. Report this Post to the Staff
tweak800 Pillar of the Community United States 1249 Posts	Posted 03/02/2016 2:42 pm I would say if you have a normal coin show us the picture of that concentrated on that area of the coin with like a 70x zoom and get the exacte same picture using the exact same zoom of the coin in question . I personally have no idea what those coins look like or are supposed to look like Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/02/2016 3:13 pm The large image at the bottom, I used an image that was 3,000 pixels wide (then cropped it down to 1100 pixels) to get that. Report this Post to the Staff
comdewah New Member United States 41 Posts	Posted 03/03/2016 01:37 am Here's a reverse pic of one of the coins in question. I'll have to go to my home in South La. to get a regular coin like this without the two marks to show comparison. Thanks. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/03/2016 11:36 am Thanks, but that is too small. I need an image with edges of the coin that would measure 3000 X 3000 pixels. (that was the size of the coins I used to make the large overlay) With the images that large to make the overlay, then I could cut down the image to a size that we needed. I'll keep checking. It maybe a clash from the hair, if it extends that far. From the mint images. it appears it doesn't. That would be my only thought as to what caused it. If you have several, check to see if they are all from the same die pair. Check for markers that match to see if they are all from the same dies. (die scratches, gouges, chips something that is happening on each or some dies. If there are some with out the same maker on the opposite side, they may have retired/replaced a die. Or if the markers are different on the reverse, then there maybe more than one reverse that looks like that?) Edited by coop 03/03/2016 11:40 am Report this Post to the Staff
comdewah New Member United States 41 Posts	Posted 03/05/2016 06:26 am Ok. Thanks. Once I get a better camera it would help also. I'll probably send one or two in for grading. Would they be able to verify/clarify something like this? Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/05/2016 4:43 pm Depends. If it is PCGS, then no. They only list numbers from Cherry Pickers Guide. ANACs would probably also need an attribution to be posted somewhere. So I would keep them safe for now. You might try John Wexler? He might want to see images first. And then he might ask to see the coin. If it is too minor then he may pass. But you might try him. http://doubleddie.com/402401.html Report this Post to the Staff
comdewah New Member United States 41 Posts	Posted 03/07/2016 12:34 am Thanks so much for the advice. Very well appreciated. I'll put these coins on the back burner for later. Til then..... More coins to inspect. Report this Post to the Staff
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2015 P Mohawk Sac Dollar DDR?