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An Interesting Early Copper Grading Exercise: 1793 Flowing Hair Cent

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 Posted 03/09/2016  7:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I by no means have any expertise of the topic of early USA copper ... so my reply is not intended in any way to suggest information relative to the grade of this coin.

That said ... I can appreciate a lovely and relatively well preserved example of USA coinage history ... and this 1793 Cent certainly meets that objective.

David
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The coin has EF sharpness, but the pits would give it a "details" grade. Overall I'd say that it is worth Fine money.

The copper for these coins came from the good old U.S.A. This was before the mint started to import planchets from England. The quality and purity of the copper was suspect, and it's been my experience that the Wreath Cents were among the worst. The piece in my collection, which is a Sheldon 11-C is lucky that it did not split in half. There is more than one alloy here! Here it is.

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An-Interesting-Early-Copper-Grading-Exercise:-1793-Flowing-Hair-Cent

NGC put this one in an AU-50 holder, which is nuts. The commerical pricing grade, even with the rims would be EF-40. EAC (Early American Coppers) would have this one down to VF-25, but you would still pay EF money for it.

For those who are not familiar, EAC grading is ultra conservative, but it is in some ways more reasonable because it does not reject copper pieces with problems the way the grading services do. It provides a sharpness grade, describes the problems and gives a net grade.

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A very, very nice S-11c, R-3-, billjones.
Nice color and good surfaces. The obverse planchet fissure seems very slight. EAC 25 seems about right.
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 Posted 03/11/2016  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NH collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin Bill. As for the coin in question, EAC should call it Fine-12 overall. I think VG is undergrading a bit.
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 Posted 03/11/2016  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billjones to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fine-12?

Are you sure you are not Bill Noyes? (A ruthlessly conservative EAC grader)

When I see pieces with corroded reverses in and EF-45 holder with a $35,000 price on it ... I don't think Fine-12 exactly accurate.
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VF35 details. Net Fine.

20yr EAC member.
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billjones, I think NH Collector may have been referring to the OP coin, not your specimen which is a superior coin.
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