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Another Possibly Greek Coin, Horse/ Cow ?

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Yet another from my mystery tray, not sure if it is Greek or early Macedonian.
First 2 pictures are of the Reverse and the other 3 are of what I think is the Obverse.
First 2 pics - horse galloping right, with rider ?
Next 3 pics - unsure which picture is correct, pic 1 looks most likely.
Weight - 1.50g
Size - 10mm


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Any help is greatly appreciated.
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 Posted 05/04/2016  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Athalbert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pegasus and a cock?
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Thanks for the suggestion Athalbert,
You got me intrigued so I went checking all the Pegasus coins and I think it may well be from Corinth.
I found a similar coin on wildwinds depicting Bellerophon riding Pegasus on 1 side and a Chimera on the other, both facing right which appears less common.
This was dated to 450-430bc and is a silver 1/2 stater, mine is obviously not silver but it is the closest match so far.
SEAR #2622.
I know Bob will put me right if I am going off on a tangent
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Wow, tough one. The reverse could, as you say, Damion, be a cow. But I just don't know. Not much to go on here. Atrax, Thessaly, did mint an issue with a horseman and running bull. That might perhaps be a possibility:

http://cNGCoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=35062

https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?...1&lot=245874

The challenge: the linked coins above are in the 16mm - 17mm range - although I must say the devices on yours do give the impression that the dies were intended for a larger flan.

Another challenge is that the coins in the links have beaded borders around the obverse horse (granted, it could simply be worn away on yours).

I am convinced that your horse does have a rider...I see a leg at left on the obverse, a leg that looks very much like the leg of the rider in the sixbid image.

I don't think there's a Macedonian issue that matches the reverse.

Man, I wish we had more to go on with the reverse!

Sorry this is a such a stream of consciousness...I'm just writing thoughts as they come.

If I come across any likely matches, I'll of course post them. Hopefully someone has some luck with this one!
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Firstly my apologies to Alberto for not paying enough attention to his " cock " suggestion, as daft as it sounds my search started and ended with " peacock "
Bob, you are a star
I went through the links you provided and initially thought it had to be a " rooster " type but then I did a closer inspection of my coin and now I am not so sure, certain parts indicate that it is an ATRAX issue.
Focusing on the mystery side as the horse & rider is definite.
Protruding from what would be the chest of the rooster is a piece that isn't crud but is actually part of the design attached rather than encrustation, when viewed as a running bull it forms a leg.
Beneath is some lettering which ends in " ON " the preceding letter appears to be an " I "
Given these details what do you think ?
I know the weight is an issue but maybe that has something to do with it being struck on an undersize flan.
It might be small but blimey its interesting
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Given these details what do you think?


Well, it's a good working theory until something more definitive comes along. If it were my coin to label, I'd have a question mark after the attribution.
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I think this coin may be from Kyme in Aeolis. The forepart of a horse, facing r, is a common image on their coins, and I think the other side is an eagle, facing r. It is unfortunate that none of the legends are visible.
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The obverse certainly looks like this forepart of horse.

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