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Achaemenid Siglos Countermark?

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hi guys
is that a countermark on the back of my Persian siglos? and does anyone know how to read it? I found this website but I can't really compare it to any of the markings here! also do you guys know why the Persians countermarked their coinage? thanks

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/n...p?key=siglos

Achaemenid-Siglos-Countermark?
Achaemenid-Siglos-Countermark?

Edit: here's a more clear picture


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Nearest counter mark match appears to be No.29
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Very nice strike.
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@echizento thanks! for a type 3 it's a very bold strike and has nice patina... coinage history at its finest, I've just been curious about the countermark

@sel_69l I added another clearer photo... I don't think if it's 29, a part of the countermark might be also missing because it's right on the edge of incuse mark
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I can't add anything about the countermark, but it is a beautiful coin. A very nice strike indeed. Thanks for posting it.

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...also do you guys know why the Persians countermarked their coinage? thanks


Hi! I believe this question was left unanswered.
I can quote an article by Doug Smith called "Countermarked Coins" posted on his ancient coin's website:


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...Sigloi are often marked with several different designs suggesting in this case that the marks were applied by bankers or merchants who certified the coin as good. The central government was not in the business of testing coins and the bankers did not accept the word of others.


And this may not have been implicitly asked in your question, but just to be sure I'll mention anyway that the Persians were not the only people in antiquity who counter-marked their coinage. And there has been also a wide variety of reasons to do so.

Back to your coin, I looked at hundreds of samples on the web and couldnīt find any identical countermark. But... if this banker/authority used to punch the coins right on their edges... how many coins may have this mark without them being clearly shown on the typical internet picture?

Anyway... absolutely beautiful coin, congratulations
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@Novicius Thanks & 🙏;

@DirtyHarry Thanks for the response. yes I'm sure there were also so many different banks and merchants in such vast empire and finding a similar marking is big challenge. I've been trying to figure this out for while haha
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I don't know about the countermark but cool Siglos, the kneeling Darius (if thats who it is) is looking much sharper than my example.
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