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Russia 1812 - PMD Or Something Else?

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 Posted 08/01/2016  4:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DL20K to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Russia-1812---PMD-Or-Something-Else?

Any guesses as to what exactly we are seeing here?

Link to ebay listing (which has larger images of both sides):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russia-2-Ko...AOSwjVVVhsPW
And in case it matters - no, it's not my auction and I haven't bought anything from this seller before.
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 Posted 08/01/2016  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fioti to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I dont believe it's ghosting, perhaps a clash?
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 Posted 08/02/2016  06:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DL20K to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The problem might be that this shape doesn't look like any device on the obverse of this coin

If someone placed another coin on it and took a hammer to them, I'd guess the rim of the other coin would make an impression as well, wouldn't it? And there is no sign of that.
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 Posted 08/04/2016  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dustin6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Or it could e a clash with another denomination like we see on the Flying Eagle cents of the US
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 Posted 09/06/2016  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add _w_ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In Russia been the practice recoinage coins. The new coins were made of old coins. Perhaps it is the traces of the old coin.

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 Posted 09/12/2016  03:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's definitely a clash. You can see the outline of the double head eagle. This is just very pronounced.
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 Posted 09/13/2016  03:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dohcollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very nice clashed specimen
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 Posted 09/13/2016  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add _w_ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
gxseries, absolutely right. I did overlap. The result is identical.

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 Posted 09/15/2016  07:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The practice of overstriking over older coins stopped at the end of 1700s. I am not aware of any official Russian coins overstruck over older coins after 1800s
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Yes you are right. The last official recoinage in Tsarist Russia - the end of XVIII - the beginning XIX century.
P.S. there is information about recoinage in Soviet Russia in the XX century.
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I think you are mixing up some terminology here. I believe you were talking about overstriking, which ended at the start of Paul I era (1797 - 1801). Overstrike is the use of older coins as planchets to be struck as fresh coins. This normally results in newer design with traces of the older design in the background.

The Soviet era "recoinage" is different. While similar planchets were used (with different metal composition), the value of the ruble was devalued from 10 to 1. So what was worth one ruble is now worth only 10 kopek.
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 Posted 09/20/2016  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add _w_ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe I can not really be expressed. Unfortunately, I do not speak english and I use Google translator. A sense replaced and not always translated correctly. Excuse me!))).
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